If people KNOW certain stuff plainly, then they will not ask questions about it in the first place! Unless Allah is prohibiting quizzmatters i would say that this verse is asking you not to question your beliefs. Is it such a firm belief that Allah says? well if you think about it twice, you'll lose your faith.
Maybe cause of your prejudice it allows you to think one way. That verse does not state that one cant question out of ignorance. It plainly applies to those who know and when something is clear to them when the Quran was being revealed that gave remedy to what ever the issue was back then.
What is 1X1X1= (?) before none of us knew what the answer to this was until it was explained and made clear to us that is it equals 3. Questioning after we have understood the problem of why 1 is 1 and what is times what is equals etc can cause trouble to one self.
Also as a believer, why would you question the command of G-D ? If the command is clear to one then it should not be question. I dont thing any of you would question a commmand from Jesus if you so believe in him as your G-D and trust him thereon.
For those who are not believers, question all you like. For those who are believers can question if a thing is not clear to them in which they do not understand. For those believes whom the it is clear to then they have no right to question a command from G-D when clearly understood it.
If you dont like this idea, then tuff. Thats why your a Christian and we are muslims.
Even the Hadith writers didn't know what time it was revealed... What i can say is that he started his harem after Khadija died... and he allready claimed to have revelation trough the angel Jibreel when Khadija was alive. So wheter he has 2,3,7 or 24 wives. He always had his wives during revelation! As is it pure specalution to assume that after this "only four wives verse" [4] that he dropped all his other 5 wives. On top of that if i'm not mistaken he revealed his only four wive verse to justify his own position at the time... yet the number of wives increased after he made that 'revelation'.
Mere prejudice speculation. You must dont pay attention to your own nonsence. You claim the number of wives increased after 4:3 but yet say the hadeeth writers didnt know the time period. So how did you know if they didnt know. Let me guess "A little Ghost told you ?" Even Casper would have enough sense not to get hung like that. And it is also mere speculation to say "
yet the number of wives increased after he made that 'revelation'."
When was 4:3 revealed ? What is the dating on it ? Answer: 627AC which was after the second war called the Battle Uhud. Muhammads first wife (Khadijah) had passed away in 620AC and another(Zainab bint Khuzaimah) in 626AC. Long time period for marrying multiple wives dont you say ?
Before this time there was no limitation.
we're is your back up that he divorced the other 5 women, your making the claim that he immediatly divorced them when the all punishing Allah made his revelation known to Muhammed. Yet their is no evidence for that, purely wishfull thinking.
Where is you back up he had more than 4 wives after 4:3 was revealed if as you said "
Even the Hadith writers didn't know what time it was revealed" ?.
Plus if he divorced them, on basis of what? does that mean that he liked the 4 remaining women best? and didn't love all the other 5 equally? Or did he do eeny miny moo, blind folded with them?
Actually no. Of course your western backward way of thinking based on the inlfuence of your own culture will lead you to believe "for sex or lust" which is in major Christian Propaganda that you follow.
Why did prophet Mohammad (pbuh) marry many wives, and who were they, their names and brief background on each one of them (may Allah bless them all).........
His later marriages were for various reasons. Some marriages were with the view to help the women whose husbands had been killed while they were defending their faith. Others were with a view to cement relationships with devoted followers like Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him. Yet others were to build bridges with various tribes who were otherwise at war with the Muslims. When the prophet became their relative through marriage, their hostilities calmed down, and much bloodshed was averted.
Recent non-Muslim writers who had the opportunity to study the life of the prophet first-hand reach a similar conclusion about his plural marriages.
John L. Esposito, Professor of Religion and Director of the Centre for International Studies at the College of the Holy Cross, says that most of these marriages had "political and social motives" (Islam: The Straight Path, Oxford University Press, 1988, p. 19). This he explained as follows: "As was customary for Arab chiefs, many were political marriages to cement alliances. Others were marriages to the widows of his companions who had fallen in combat and were in need of protection" (John L. Esposito, Islam: The Straight Path, pp. 19-20). Esposito reminds us of the following historical fact: "Though less common, polygyny was also permitted in biblical and even in postbiblical Judaism. From Abraham, David, and Solomon down to the reformation period, polygyny was practiced" (p. 19).
Another non-Muslim Caesar E. Farah writes as follows: "In the prime of his youth and adult years Muhammad remained thoroughly devoted to Khadijah and would have none other for consort. This was an age that looked upon plural marriages with favor and in a society that in pre-Biblical and post-Biblical days considered polygamy an essential feature of social existence. David had six wives and numerous concubines (2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3) and Solomon was said to have had as many as 700 wives and 300 concubines (1 Kings 11:3). Solomon's son Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines (2 Chronicles 11:21). The New Testament contains no specific injunction against plural marriages. It was commonplace for the nobility among the Christians and Jews to contract plural marriages. Luther spoke of it with toleration" (Caesar E. Farah, Islam: Beliefs and Observances, 4th edition, Barron's, U.S. 1987, p. 69). Caesar Farah then concluded that Muhammad's plural marriages were due "partly to political reasons and partly to his concern for the wives of his companions who had fallen in battle defending the nascent Islamic community" (p. 69).
http://anwary-islam.com/women/prophets-wives.htm
Obviously these non-muslims, more than likely not affiliated with Christianity, didnt see lust and sex as your inlfuenced from you backward culture allows you to only see.
O Prophet! When ye do divorce women, divorce them at their prescribed periods, and count (accurately) their prescribed periods: and fear Allah your Lord: and turn them not out of their houses, nor shall they (themselves) leave, except in case they are guilty of some open lewdness, those are limits set by Allah: and any who transgresses the limits of Allah, does verily wrong his (own) soul: thou knowest not if perchance Allah will bring about thereafter some new situation. 65:1
Surah 65:1 alludes to divorce. Why include the Prophet if it wasnt entitled to him if he wasnt going to devorce any of his wives ?
Who says these are not Muslim assumptions, made by muslim mullah's to try and justify this number of women, by saying they are the same...
i can go in dept in this... but you'll have to wait, and i'll try and give you a commentary on each and every woman that muhammed befelt. concubine, slave and wife alike.
Who says your allegation are not Christian assumptions made by missionaries to try to make the number more than what is reported as when his wives were not always called by their first names ?
And please present ALL the
SAHIH HADEETH with those number(24) you were having illusions about.
they are not all wives wich i mentioned, but also concubines and slaves wich he took to himself.
What cloud did your jump off of ? Concubines were considered married women back then. Please dont get the term of todays modern age confused with back then. Back then and even in Biblical time a concubine is a wife. Also You just quoted a hadeeth that said he had 11 but correct as 9 wives.
Sahih Bukhari- Volume 1, Book 5, Number 268:
Narrated Qatada:
Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven).
This is the same hadith you quated that corrected the report that it wasnt 11 but 9 wives at that particular time.
that would be great, but wait untill i gave you more information... yet the real issue is that Muhammed married more then 4 women at once. As i have shown to you, he had 9 or even 11 at once.
Indeed you showed, no arguement on that even though I errored to fully explain what I meant that I didnt type, but now at what time period was this before or after 4:3 ?. Hey click on the link below and read all the hadeeths for your self, it'll take some time maybe years, rather than having someone dictate it to you. I am sure many of you have clicked on that link before.
Let me be straight up with all of you. The issue of our Prophet retaining his wives after 4:3 is vague and not consistant in Hadeeth narrations..
Now lets look at the other hand, so what if he retained his wives after the revelation of 4:3 ? 4:3 which I have heard, and is fact
does not apply to the Prophet in the singular (in Arabic)
but is addressed to the muslims in general at that time. This I agree with.
The arguement among christians is that every body became limited except for him which is not true.
[33] It is not lawful for thee (Muhamma) women after this, nor to change them for (other) wives, even though their beauty attract thee, except any thy right hand should possess (as hand-maidens): and Allah doth watch over all things
This is the proof that he did not continue to marry more women after 4:3 was revealed which puts your allegation that he did on the burner to fry.
This verse in its context 50-53 was also revealed in 627AC the same year 4:3 was revealed. Was this revealed after 4:3 more than likely yes as 33:50 says:
[33] O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Mecca) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her; this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large): We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess(Ref. 4:3); in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
The Prophets was limited also. I thought you read the Quran before ?
Lets see what part in the Bible do we find a prophet who is suppose to be G-D and also a man telling his people one thing in which he was exempted from ?
Matthew 5:22
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
(Whole Chapter: Matthew 5 In context: Matthew 5:21-23)
Luke 24:25
Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
(Whole Chapter: Luke 24 In context: Luke 24:24-26)
Wouldnt Jesus be exempted ?
It commes down to this:
- Persecute the unbelievers [9]
- Forgive the unbelievers [45]
Who are the unbelievers? all non muslims [3] this including christians... unless you want to throw verse [5] against that claim, but then again, you have a inconsistency in wich you need to rule out one, above the other.
Lets look at what 9:29 says:
9:29. Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
When since "Fight" meant "Kill"
Main Entry: 1fight
Pronunciation: 'fIt
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): fought /'fot/; fight·ing
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English feohtan; akin to Old High German fehtan to fight and perhaps to Latin pectere to comb -- more at PECTINATE
intransitive senses
1 a : to contend in battle or physical combat; especially : to strive to overcome a person by blows or weapons b : to engage in boxing
2 : to put forth a determined effort
transitive senses
1 a (1) : to contend against in or as if in battle or physical combat (2) : to box against in the ring b (1) : to attempt to prevent the success or effectiveness of <the company fought the takeover attempt> (2) : to oppose the passage or development of <fight a bill in Congress>
2 a : WAGE, CARRY ON <fight a battle> b : to take part in (as a boxing match)
3 : to struggle to endure or surmount <fight a cold>
4 a : to gain by struggle <fights his way through> b : to resolve by struggle <fought out their differences in court>
5 a : to manage (a ship) in a battle or storm b : to cause to struggle or contend c : to manage in an unnecessarily rough or awkward manner
http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?b ... &x=17&y=14
If your in my house and you refuse to pay me rent you better believe I am going put a pounding on you. No free loaders. You dont like it then GET OUT !
Now lets look at 45:14
[45] Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the Days of Allah: it is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each People according to what they have earned.
But Christians believe in the hereafter and the Day of Judgement. This verse is speaking of those who do not believe in the hereafter. This verse doesnt say anything about killing Christians.
Lets look at 3:85
[3] If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter he will be in the ranks of those who have lost (all spiritual good).
What was the religion of Jesus and Moses in Islam ? Your carbon fiber brain obviously has been forgeting a whole bunch of stuff in which you supposedly have read the Quran before.
The same religion has He established for you as that which He enjoined on Nuh - that which We have sent by inspiration to thee - and that which We enjoined on Ibrahim, Musa, and 'Isa: namely, that ye should remain steadfast in Religion, and make no divisions therein: to those who worship other things than Allah, hard is the (way) to which thou callest them. Allah chooses to Himself those whom He pleases, and guides to Himself those who turn (to Him). 42:13
Your interpretation of the Quran and muslims belief is based on Christian ideology. Now lets take a look at the other verse in its CONTEXT.
[5] Say(Muhammad): "O People of the Book! Ye have no ground to stand upon unless ye stand fast by the Law, the Gospel, and all the revelation that has come to you from your Lord. "It is the revelation that cometh to thee from thy Lord, that increaseth in most of them their obstinate rebellion and blasphemy. But sorrow thou not over (these) people without Faith.
[5] Those who believe and those who are Jews, and the Sabians and the Christians who believe in Allah and the Last Day, and work righteousness - on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.
Now lets get this straight, do the majority Christian follow Torah and Gospel and the Quran ? No.
What does the Quran say about Christians that say Jesus is Allah (G-D) or say "Three" ? You are unbelievers. So you are not included in that verse only the True Christians that dont believe such crap which refering to those pass Chrisitan and Jews whom were revealed the same Deen as what we have been revealed and such like Christians and Jews etc whom never heard about Islam or Muhammad or that was notclearly exposed to them.