RomeSweetHome wrote:Aieno Wrote:
Mary's original title among all Christians prior to the Council of Ephesus (if I remember correctly) was Chritotokos, Chirst bearer. It was only after pagan Greeks insinuated themselves in the church that Mary's title was changed to theotokos, God bearer.
According to my knowledge the Solemnity of the Mother of God is the most ancient Marian Feast in the Church’s history. Likewise, the title "Mother of God" is the most ancient title given to Mary, given to her at the Council of Ephesus on June 22, 431. "Mother of God" in Greek "Theotókos" means "Bearer of God" or "God-Bearer".
Actually RomeSweetHome The Assumption of Sophia (a gnostic celebration of wisdom personified) predates all of the Marian doctrines.
The Council declared, "If anyone does not confess that the Emmanuel is truly God and therefore that the holy Virgin is the Mother of God (Theotokos) (since she begot according to the flesh the Word of God made flesh), anathema sit."
Ephesus affirmed that Mary can rightfully be called the Mother of God: Mary is not Mother of God, the Father, or Mother of God, the Holy Spirit; rather, she is Mother of God, the Son — Jesus Christ.
Mary may have been called the Christ bearer and she still is called the Christ bearer. The fact is the title "Mother of God" was not given to Mary to elavate her status, but to elavate the status of Jesus Christ whom heretics claimed was not God.
Catholics always appeal to something being declared doctrine only after it was questioned by those outside the church. However, this denies the facts. Those in the church were taking differing positions and either the Emperor or a bishop did not like it so a councils was called and the majority ruled.
Aieno Wrote:
How did Leo at TimeBombers put it? Greek thugs took control of the church away from the Jews? Only he was attempting to show that the Catholic Church opposed those Greek thugs. My reply was my last one at TimeBombers because I turned his "metaphor" around and used his terminology the Greek thugs as those who changed God's truth and called it the Holy, Apostolic Catholic Church of Jesus Christ.
Very Intresting, but this is just a theory and nothing more.
But a Catholic posted this to a public forum.
BTW, I sent an email to TimeBombers and got a reply stating they has site problems. I have access to that site again.