Greetings Mohammad,
Thanks for sharing your comments…and a special thanks to Alpha for some fine input to this conversation, as well…
In the name of God
Welcome Apple pie
Maybe your right,I shouldnt have started a discussion that I dont have time to be challenged...!
Thanks for acknowledging this…
But your exegesis about Surah 86 :
Maybe your right and maybe your not!
I dont have this power to say that your exegesis is the exact exegesis of this Surah!
I dont accept this exegesis is absolutely correct nor deny it!
If this is the case, then how can you be sure regarding your “faith”..?
Sura 86, all by itself, totally decimates what most Muslims adhere to in their belief system….and it is all nice and neat in one compact sura…
I also didnt refer to the exegesis of those verses that I send to you.(exept of the two verses in Alrahman) I refered to the Mathematic miracle in them:
15- [40] Possessor of the highest degrees, and Ruler of the whole dominion. He sends inspiration, bearing His commands, to whomever He chooses from among His servants, to warn about the Day of Summoning.
“Rafey el-daragat” is translated as “the possessor of the highest degrees”. The word “Rafey” expresses highness and the word “el-daragat” expresses the degrees. The mathematical value of “Rafey ”, which states the highest degree, is 360. And this number is the equivalent of the highest degree in the universe. The mathematical values are as follows:
Ra = 200
Fe = 80
Ye = 10
Ayn = 70
________
Sum = 360
See!these are not exegesis but Mathematic miracle!
Well…since we have laid to rest the first portion of your assertion, let’s see what you have for your next Koranic “miracle”…
رَفِيعُ الدَّرَجَتِ ذُو الْعَرْشِ يُلْقِي الرُّوحَ مِنْ أَمْرِهِ عَلَى مَنْ يَشَاءُ مِنْ عِبَادِهِ لِيُنْذِرَ يَوْمَ التَّلَاق
RafeeAAu alddarajati thoo alAAarshi yulqee alrrooha min amrihi AAala man yashao min AAibadihi liyunthira yawma alttalaqi
Raiser/honourer (of) the steps/stages/degrees, of the throne, He throws the Soul/Spirit from His order/command on (to) whom He wills/wants from His worshippers/slaves to warn/give notice (of) the Meeting Day/Resurrection Day. 40:15
Proper understanding of the text under consideration takes into account the context of the ayah. Do you understand the context of this ayah….?
It is, once again (surprise, surprise), smack-dab in the middle of Biblical Book of Revelation Eschatological material….surely you are aware of this….
Thus, if you want to pull some webpaste gematria from the Muslim rhetoric websites, then you must also be willing to apply the “miracle” to its source, the Holy Bible…
If you want to go the route of utilizing Gematria and Isopsephia to show divineness of scripture, then perhaps you should look carefully at the following websites that show statistical probability towards such events…
http://www.theomatics.com/
http://www.biblewheel.com/
You will soon discover for yourself that the Koran plays second fiddle (once again) to the power of the Holy Bible…
Or for the Iron I said:
The Quran shows other mathematical miracles by pointing out the iron’s atomic number, which is 26, in different ways.
In the Quran, there is a mathematical value for every letter. The mathematical value for the word iron (hadid) is 26.
Ha
= 8
Da
= 4
Ya
= 10
Da
= 4
Total
= 26
See!these are not exegesis but Mathematic miracle!
Hmmm….then, since Yahweh, in the Holy Bible, also has a numerical value of 26, what does this state…?!
That’s right….!
It’s a miracle….!
Not only does Yahweh mean 26, iron’s atomic number, but the Holy Bible stated this thousands of years BEFORE the Koran…
Here is another example regarding the famous code 19 in the Koran…
Ever taken the time to look up 19:19…?
That’s right….it speaks of Jesus…our Lord and Savior….
It’s a miracle…..!
But about the exegesis of two verse in Alrahman:
maybe your right,maybe the exegesis of these verses that are written in that site isnt true and God in pointing to another fact!
I dont accept this exegesis is absolutely correct nor deny it!
well ,I will think for myself.
And if I find a point I will post it quickly.
There is no doubt that I am correct in my exegesis…it is beyond any reasonable doubt…
But I found something intresting in that site:
The 59th verse of the sura The Family of Imran, points to a similarity between Adam and Jesus. There is no other comparison like that between any other two prophets in the Quran. How many times are these prophets’ names used in the Quran? In equal number, exactly 25 time each. The verse that points to the similarity between Jesus and Adam is given below:
[3] The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.
Number of occurrence of Adam and Jesus (Pbuh) is 25.
If we study the gematrical value of the names, Jesus ('Eysy in Arabic) and Adam (Aadm in Arabic) we will find that the G values of Jesus 70 10 60 10 and of Adam 1 1 4 40.
If we add all the digits in 701060101140 = 25.
25 = the frequency of the words Jesus and Adam in the whole Quran.
Some people declare Jesus incarnation of God as he was created without a father in total disregard of the omnipotence of God. God gives Adam as an example, since he was created both without father and mother. By doing so, God shows how illogical it is to attribute to Jesus divine qualifications. God, while referring to the similarity between Adam and Jesus, also supports this statement with numerical miracles using both names 25 times each in the Quran. The mathematical miracle is not limited to this alone.
GOD is controlling everything!
Not very impressive “evidence”.
Have you ever taken the time to compare the Koranic “creation” accounts of Adam & Jesus..?
I would invite you to do so, as they definitely show the divinity of Jesus over that of Adam…
Relying on a preconceived Koranic Gemantria “miracle” will only leave you with a hopeless situation that can easily be refuted…
Thanks…