Christian/Muslim ThreadsMohammed Did No Miracles ... Why?
yazdimuslim wrote:15- [40] Possessor of the highest degrees, and Ruler of the whole dominion. He sends inspiration, bearing His commands, to whomever He chooses from among His servants, to warn about the Day of Summoning.
“Rafey el-daragat” is translated as “the possessor of the highest degrees”. The word “Rafey” expresses highness and the word “el-daragat” expresses the degrees. The mathematical value of “Rafey ”, which states the highest degree, is 360. And this number is the equivalent of the highest degree in the universe. The mathematical values are as follows:
Ra = 200
Fe = 80
Ye = 10
Ayn = 70
________
Sum = 360
See!these are not exegesis but Mathematic miracle!
Or for the Iron I said:
The Quran shows other mathematical miracles by pointing out the iron’s atomic number, which is 26, in different ways.
In the Quran, there is a mathematical value for every letter. The mathematical value for the word iron (hadid) is 26.
Ha
= 8
Da
= 4
Ya
= 10
Da
= 4
Total
= 26
See!these are not exegesis but Mathematic miracle!
But about the exegesis of two verse in Alrahman:
maybe your right,maybe the exegesis of these verses that are written in that site isnt true and God in pointing to another fact!
I dont accept this exegesis is absolutely correct nor deny it!
well ,I will think for myself.
And if I find a point I will post it quickly.
But I found something intresting in that site:
The 59th verse of the sura The Family of Imran, points to a similarity between Adam and Jesus. There is no other comparison like that between any other two prophets in the Quran. How many times are these prophets’ names used in the Quran? In equal number, exactly 25 time each. The verse that points to the similarity between Jesus and Adam is given below:
[3] The example of Jesus, as far as GOD is concerned, is the same as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to him, "Be," and he was.
Number of occurrence of Adam and Jesus (Pbuh) is 25.
If we study the gematrical value of the names, Jesus ('Eysy in Arabic) and Adam (Aadm in Arabic) we will find that the G values of Jesus 70 10 60 10 and of Adam 1 1 4 40.
If we add all the digits in 701060101140 = 25.
25 = the frequency of the words Jesus and Adam in the whole Quran.
We can play the same game with the Bible codes and use mathematic manipulation to come up with things. So this is not the best way to prove a Divinely inspired book. Stick to the basics: Islam has yet to refute the prophecies of Jesus in the Old Testament and Islam has yet to prove Christ was not killed. Just on that alone, Islam is flawed. Something as tangible as the resurrection is not even supported by the Qu'ran. The Bible contains prophecies on Christ's death for the sins of man thousands of years before it happened, and you expect a Divinely inspired book to say Christ was not killed but someone who looked like Him was? Surely God can do better than that.
yazdimuslim wrote:Some people declare Jesus incarnation of God as he was created without a father in total disregard of the omnipotence of God. God gives Adam as an example, since he was created both without father and mother. By doing so, God shows how illogical it is to attribute to Jesus divine qualifications.
Phillipians 2:5-7> Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.
yazdimuslim wrote:well,at the end can you count different Korans and name them.
Warsh, Qalun, Idris al-Haddad, Ishaq, Ibn Wardan, Ibn Jamaz, Ruways, al-Duri, Khalaf, Khallad, Qunbul, Abu'l-Harith and much more..........
Keep in mind, that it is only some Muslims who bring up the argument of different versions. Those with understanding realize that even with different versions, that does not take away from the overall message. We all do not speak the same language and english today is not the same as in the 1600's. With this said, all the manuscript evidence (more than any historical writing) for the Holy Bible agree over 95% with some variants contributing to the rest of the percentage (less than 5%--Manuscripts get old and letters fade). So not only does the Bible have more manuscript evidence to support it more than any historical writing (especially more than the Qu'ran), it is also more accurate than any historical writing.
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