ArchivedThis might not be sensitive.This is from that website about hinduism that Tuppence linked: Yeah, I want to know. Let's see... And I could just as easily reference a standard textbook on modern scientific principles that oppose the Christian perspective. If there was an entity named Krsna that was conquered by Indra, then such was not the same Krsna that is worshipped in the Vedas. Krsna is not an incarnation of Visnu. Krsna and Visnu are the same. Visnu is actually a plenary expansion of Krsna. That is fine. We are dealing with God. Certainly, that is actually the idea. Love of Krsna is not lust. It is only out of perverted vision that one thinks that the reciprocation of loving exchange between Krsna and the Gopis is on a material level. People need to pull their minds out of the gutter. No, it is not prescribed by the Vedas that one should imitate God. Trying to imitate God is what got Lucifer cast out of heaven. Do you not agree? You should, and therefore try to understand that we must follow the instructions of God, not try to be God ourselves. This is a different era and a different culture. Polygamy was accepted. This is not simply for sense gratification. Married life is meant for the propagation and raising of children. If you can take care of 180,000 sons then you go ahead. God takes care of billions of sons and daughters. People's minds are so degraded that at first consideration of polygamy they think that it is merely a license to enjoy many women. No, it means that you raise and take care of your children. The more children you can raise to love God, the better society is. Just for clarification, there is nothing lustful about this. In the Bible, (esp OT) God does many things that to a common man would be sinful acts. So should we say that God should fall under our system of punishment? The reasoning here is idiotic. From the purport of Bhagavad-Gita As It Is 2.30: Though the soul is immortal, violence is not encouraged, but at the time of war it is not discouraged when there is actual need for it. That need must be justified in terms of the sanction of the Lord, and not capriciously. Fighting is sometimes necessary. Arjuna was a ksatriya. It was his duty to fight if need be. The battle at Kuruksetra was a last resort from many attempts at avoiding it. If we should do anything, it should be by the authority of God. From the 2.32 purport: For a ksatriya to be in the battlefield and to become nonviolent is the philosophy of fools. In the Parasara-smrti or religious codes made by Parasara, the great sage and father of Vyasadeva, it is stated: ksatriyo hi praja raksan sastra-panih pradandayan nirjitya para-sainyadi ksitim dharmena palayet "The ksatriya's duty is to protect the citizens from all kinds of difficulties, and for that reason he has to apply violence in suitable cases for law and order. Therefore he has to conquer the soldiers of inimical kings, and thus, with religious principles, he should rule over the world." WRONG. This is not why Arjuna must fight. This is reasoning to remedy his unnecessary lamentation. The reason he must fight, first and foremost, is because Krsna tells him to do it. The reason Krsna tells him to fight and kill is because it is Arjuna's duty to uphold religous principles, which were being threatened by the sons of King Dhrtarastra. These six reasons alone are not what justify fighting. Killing under the authority of God is not murder. This does not mean that we should all concoct a self-righteous sense of killing. Those who are killed personally by God are liberated. Mind you that in the Vedas there are different types of liberation. Nevertheless, the fact that Yudhisthira went to "hell" is not the same as the Christian concept of an eternal damnation. It is better to perform your duty, even if you are not very good at it, then to try and artificially perform another's. Yudhisthira was a ksatriya. His duty was to fight if need be. You should accept the system that God has for you. Who has said that classes and tests are illusion? No. This universe is an illusion in the sense that it is temporary. This universe is a perverted reflection of the spiritual truth. This point is artistically exemplified in the Bhagavad-Gita, Chapter 15; Verse 1: sri-bhagavan uvaca urdhva-mulam adhah-sakham asvattham prahur avyayam chandamsi yasya parnani yas tam veda sa veda-vit SYNONYMS sri-bhagavan uvaca--the Supreme Personality of Godhead said; urdhva-mulam--with roots above; adhah--downwards; sakham--branches; asvattham--banyan tree; prahuh--said; avyayam--eternal; chandamsi--Vedic hymns; yasya--of which; parnani--the leaves; yah--anyone; tam--that; veda--knows; sah--he; veda-vit--the knower of the Vedas. TRANSLATION The Blessed Lord said: There is a banyan tree which has its roots upward and its branches down and whose leaves are the Vedic hymns. One who knows this tree is the knower of the Vedas. The upside down banyan tree represents this material manifestation. The analogy can be made with the experience one has with a tree at the river bank. The reflection of that tree in the river is perverted due to the ripples in the water. Similarly, the material world is a perverted reflection of the spiritual fact. Therefore, love and friendship are not illusion. They are divine qualities that are simply misguided by the illusory material energy. Our constitutional position is having love for God/ being friends with God, and through God, being friends with all living entities. Who has said that in the end nothing matters? If nothing matters then saying it is an illusion doesn't matter. Still, this is not a point of the Hare Krsna's, nor of the Vedas. Krsna and Jesus are the same and different. Either way, one is as good as the other. Actually, I would lean more toward saying that Jesus is better than Krsna because he was the greatest devotee of the Lord. Although God is great, it is through the mercy of the pure devotee of God that we receive salvation. |
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