Christian/Muslim ThreadsWhat qualifies Muhamad as a prophet ?Liberate wrote:Somehow I knew this was coming now you are telling me your source has a wrong translation, this is what you have been doing from the beginning, this brings us back to our dilemma, where are your arabic scholar qualifications to dismiss the translation?
Actually I was waiting for you to stoop that low. The translation that were used where by prominant translators. We didnt even introduce our translation, YET. Wood you like the link to those other translators that you know nothing about ? Or did you think there were only three translations and only one Tafsir of Quran out there ?
Liberate wrote:Just looking at the link should be obvious which sura it is talking about, the very same sura 9:28 which you are using as a prophecy of saudi oil, the tafsir speaks of the battle of hunayn, you suddenly now tell us this was revealed after the muslims gained control of Makkah ARE YOU DISAGREEING WITH THE TAFSIR?
Nope it was not disagreeing with the Tafsir. You just didnt read the tafsir muchless know how to count. A common trait by Christians with black hearts (Note: We are not speaking about Christian in general). That verse according to your source you are getting it from says the verse(28) was revealed in the 9 year of the Hijrah AFTER the battle of Hunayn that took place in 8th year.
The Battle of Hunayn
The battle of Hunayn occurred after the victory of Makkah, in the month of Shawwal of the eighth year of Hijrah. After the Prophet conquered Makkah and things settled, most of its people embraced Islam and he set them free. News came to the Messenger of Allah that the tribe of Hawazin were gathering their forces to fight him, under the command of Malik bin `Awf An-Nadri, as well as, the entire tribe of Thaqif, the tribes of Banu Jusham, Banu Sa`d bin Bakr, a few people of Awza` from Banu Hilal and some people from Bani `Amr bin `Amir and `Awf bin `Amir. They brought their women, children, sheep and camels along, in addition to their armed forces and adequate supplies. The Messenger of Allah marched to meet them with the army that he brought to conquer Makkah, ten thousand from the Muhajirin, the Ansar and various Arab tribes. Along with them came the Tulaqa' numbering two thousand men. The Messenger took them along to meet the enemy. The two armies met in Humayn, a valley between Makkah and At-Ta'if. The battle started in the early part of the morning, when the Huwazin forces, who were lying in ambush, descended on the valley when the Muslims entered. Muslims were suddenly struck by the ambush, the arrows descended on them and the swords struck them. The Huwazin commander ordered them to descend and attack the Muslims as one block, and when they did that, the Muslims retreated in haste, just as Allah described them. The Messenger of Allah remained firm in his position while riding his mule, Ash-Shahba'. He was leading his mule towards the enemy, while his uncle Al-`Abbas was holding its right-hand rope and [his cousin] Abu Sufyan bin Al-Harith bin `Abdul-Muttalib was holding the left rope. They tried to hold the mule back so it would not run faster toward the enemy. Meanwhile, the Messenger of Allah was declaring his name aloud and saying,
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20938
Verse 9:28 according to the same source says:
(28. O you who believe! Verily, the Mushrikin are impure. So let them not come near Al-Masjid Al-Haram after this year; and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you if He wills, out of His bounty. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise.) (29. Fight against those who believe not in Allah, nor in the Last Day, nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth among the People of the Scripture, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.)
Idolators are no longer allowed into Al-Masjid Al-Haram
Allah commands His believing servants, who are pure in religion and person, to expel the idolators who are filthy in the religious sense, from Al-Masjid Al-Haram. After the revelation of this Ayah, idolators were no longer allowed to go near the Masjid. This Ayah was revealed in the ninth year of Hijrah. The Messenger of Allah sent `Ali in the company of Abu Bakr that year to publicize to the idolators that no Mushrik will be allowed to perform Hajj after that year, nor a naked person allowed to perform Tawaf around the House. Allah completed this decree, made it a legislative ruling, as well as, a fact of reality. `Abdur-Razzaq recorded that Jabir bin `Abdullah commented on the Ayah,
http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=9&tid=20958
Note: Your source Ibn Kathir does not translate "SOON" cause again "SOON" is not the significance of "sawf". We provided more than enough sourced to establish grounds, unless you can come up with evidence to prove us wrong.
Do you know how to count ? does 9 come after 8 or 8 after 9 ? Geesh :roll:
Now after we have cleaned up your mess, we go back to the original theme. Surah 9:28 gives a prophecy that was fulfilled in the future.
I am dazzled over here trying to figure out how you could make such a mistake. Did you misread ? Or you just didnt understand what you were reading ? Or you were just following what the other monkey was doing and didnt bother to go back and READ and COMPREHEND the source for verification. Just imagine how much more of islam you have mistaken about due to comprehension failure.
Liberate wrote:Let me get this straight when it says "soon allah will enrich you", it really means allah will enrich your descendants 1300+yrs later because your descendants are the ones fighting the quraish, and collecting booty, did you also notice the conditional conjunctive clause "if he wills" Did you read the tafsir? Do you realise the efficient job you are doing ridiculing your own beliefs?
Well lets see, according to your source Ibn Kathir clearifies "if he wills" the translation.
What does إِن شَآءَ = in shaa (if He wills) in the Arabic language signifiy ?
In sha' allah
Other Commonly Used Spellings: INSHA ALLAH,INSHAA ALLA, INSHA ALLA,IN SHA' ALLA
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When a person wishes to plan for the future, when he promises, when he makes resolutions, and when he makes a pledge, he makes them with permission and the will of Allah. For this reason, a Muslim uses the Qur'anic instructions by saying "In Sha ' Allah." The meaning of this statement is: "If Allah wills." Muslims are to strive hard and to put their trusts with Allah. They leave the results in the hands of Allah.
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/reference/g ... INSHA.html
On the other hand when Allah uses it for himself the thing will come to pass only by his will.
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