ArchivedCalling all Catholics!Madeleine Wrote: It pleases me to hear that you, as a Protestant, can enter a Catholic church and come out with something positive to say. Most protestants I know wont even set foot in a Catholic Church. Sad really. I personally have been to many Protestant churches for sunday service, and the last church I attended was a Anglican church on Christmas day. whosurdaddy Wrote: 1. Peter is the Rock on which the Church is Built. Mark 3:16; John 1:42 - Simon is renamed "Kepha" in Aramaic by Jesus which literally means "rock." This was an extraordinary thing for Jesus to do, because "rock" was not even a name in Jesus' time. Jesus did this, not to give Simon a strange name, but to identify his new status among the apostles. When God changes a person's name, he changes their status. 2. Peter has the Keys of Authority over the Earthly Kingdom, the Church. Matt. 16:19 - Jesus gives Peter the "keys of the kingdom of heaven." While most Protestants argue that the kingdom of heaven Jesus was talking about is the eternal state of glory (as if Peter is up in heaven letting people in), the kingdom of heaven Jesus is speaking of actually refers to the Church on earth. In using the term "keys," Jesus was referencing Isaiah 22 (which is the only place in the Bible where keys are used in the context of a kingdom). Rev. 1:18; 3:7; 9:1; 20:1 - Jesus' "keys" undeniably represent authority. By using the word "keys," Jesus gives Peter authority on earth over the new Davidic kingdom, and this was not seriously questioned by anyone until the Protestant reformation 1,500 years later. 3. Organization of the church. Catholics believe the Church Jesus was talking about was spiritual as well as physical. The Bible even tells us the organization of the Church. The New Testament gives instructions for the organization of congregations of the church. How can the Church not be physical? "The elders who are among you I exhort, I who am a fellow elder and a witness of the sufferings of Christ, and also a partaker of the glory that will be revealed: Shepherd the flock of God which is among you, serving as overseers, not by compulsion but willingly, not for dishonest gain but eagerly; nor as being lords over those entrusted to you, but being examples to the flock; and when the Chief Shepherd appears, you will receive the crown of glory that does not fade away." [1 Pet. 5: 1-3] The Apostle Paul told the young man Titus to "appoint elders in every city" in Titus 1:5. Paul then goes on to give the qualifications of elders in the succeeding verses: "if a man is blameless, the husband of one wife, having faithful children not accused of dissipation or insubordination. For a bishop must be blameless, as a steward of God, not self-willed, not quick-tempered, not given to wine, not violent, not greedy for money, but hospitable, a lover of what is good, sober-minded, just, holy, self-controlled, holding fast the faithful word as he has been taught, that he may be able, by sound doctrine, both to exhort and convict those who contradict." [Titus 1:6-9 See also 1 Tim.3: 1-7] I got news for you whosurdaddy, there are OVER 33,200 Protestant denominations, and the numbers are increasing, thats a fact. wake up and smell the coffee! It would be very foolish of you to say that the Catholic Church came from any Protestant denomination, as Protestantism didnt even exsist until the 16th Century. The first Christians were not Catholic, nor were they Protestant, they were Jews. Jesus never wrote a book to guide His followers. What He did was to leave behind an extraordinary community, a Church built upon Peter, the rock foundation (Mt 16:18f). We are connected to Christ, our head, by belonging to His body, the Church (Col 1:18. He promised that the Spirit of truth would be with His Church always (Jn 14:16f), to guide us to all truth (16:13). Aieno wrote: Do u have any sources/proof that Baptists exsisted in the 1st Century? The first known Baptist Congregation was formed by a number of these fleeing separatists in Amsterdam, Holland in 1608. It was largely made up of British persons led by John Smyth who along with Thomas Helwys, sought to set up the group according to New Testament patterns. As they saw it, it was important to 'reconstitute' and not just 'reform' the Church. The American Baptists deny that they owe their origin to Roger Williams. The English Baptists will not grant that John Smyth or Thomas Helwysse was their founder. The Welsh Baptists strenuously contend that they received their creed in the first century, from those who obtained it, direct, from the apostles themselves. Are these the Baptists you mentioned? The Dutch Baptists trace their spiritual pedigree up to the same source. German Baptists maintained that they were older than the reformation, older than the corrupt hierarchy which it sought to reform. The Waldensian Baptists boasted an ancestry far older than Waldo, older than the most ancient of their predecessors in the Vales of Piedmont. This is just jibberish. Yes we belong to a "organisation", I spoke about that above please read it. You belong to the original church Aieno? Really? what one is that then? The one Jesus founded upon Peter? Peace |
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