Christian/Muslim ThreadsWhat qualifies Muhamad as a prophet ?
According to islam the seal of prophethood was a 'cancerous' dome shaped lump on Mohammed's back. A very interesting question by whom indeed are these qualifications deemed? You should be well aware that there was nobody else to vouch for Mohammed, it was him and him alone, he alone was hearing jibreel, he alone was receiving the commands of allah, there is no one to vouch or substantiate his claims, he is the judge jury and prosecutor in his own case, there is a fine line between who is allah/jibreel/or Mohammed. Never has the God we served worked through one man and one man alone, never had he respected a man to the extent that he sanctioned this incestuous filth : sura 33:50 O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. Q. 66: 5. "It may be if he divorced you (all) that his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims (who submit to Allâh), believers, obedient to Allâh, turning to Allâh in repentance, worshipping Allâh sincerely, fasting or emigrants (for Allâh's sake), previously married and virgins. He has always backed what He had to say or what He is going to do by other followers, can you show me where allah spoke to anybody else but Mohammed? Back to semantics, if you can't back up a single prophecy in your koran (btw there are no prophecies in it and you know it, the byzantines and persians alledge prophecy was done over a bet ( haram in islam) and was out by several years, the conflict occurred and ended 613-14AD to 627AD-628AD, it exceeds the within 5-8yrs specified in your koran, at least you admit you came to islam with a lack of prophecies because there isn't any) Wait a minute what is the 'prophet' supposed to speak? What is this nabi supposed to be "called for"? what is he suppose to utter? If what anybody utters askes for good deeds and the worship of one God then Bahaiullah is a prophet, and so is Guru Nanak, and David Koresh et al. If you are going by the previous revelations to back up what it is you are claiming a prophet means, did you include this in your definition: This is the definition of a prophet which even your religion purports to follow: "If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account. But a prophet who presumes to speak in my name anything I have not commanded him to say, or a prophet who speaks in the name of other gods, must be put to death.” You may say to yourselves, “How can we know when a message has not been spoken by the LORD?” If what a prophet proclaims in the name of the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the LORD has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be afraid of him. "If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a miraculous sign or wonder, and if the sign or wonder of which he has spoken takes place, and he says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The LORD your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul. It is the LORD your God you must follow, and him you must revere. Keep his commands and obey him; serve him and hold fast to him. That prophet or dreamer must be put to death." Deuteronomy 18:19-22, 13:1-5 Mohammed and islam is precisely the kind of 'prophet' being warned about in these verses, yet you arrogantly claim that Mohammed is a prophet after the previous revelations, you follow a man with no prophecies to his name, not one can be singled out in the koran, and knowing you are a hadith rejecter, you would be in a catch 22 position to use it to determine if he made any prophecies. Matthew 7 15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. What are the fruits of Mohammed? A rapist, thief, caravan mercernary, megalomaniac incestuous individual, adulterer, fornicator, with koranic sayings in the koran to be repeated through all eternity with a copy kept in heaven to justify his morbid lifestyle all the while claiming that these are "divine revelations" Sooner or later strict adherence to legalism dismisses the whole spirit behind the law, no matter how ridiculous legalism now makes the law look like, the spirit is dismissed and substituted with semantics, now the jews are liars, and the christians are corrupters, Abraham was a muslim and circumnavigated the black stone and Isaac and the twelve tribes (with no reason given as to why they would circumnavigate that hollowed out meteorite, nothing is explained the edict is "just do it" seems the koran held that motto centuries before Nike) what next the jews and christians corrupted the true meaning of a prophet... Thought you were going to be consistent:
With no chronological order and the muddle of 'abrogation', unsubstantiated lies like Mary the mother of Jesus being Aaron and Moses's contemporary sister, and the pharoahs practicing crucifixtion I am sure it is logically consistent. It reads like the mind of a demented lunatic, several places it threatens death and hell for the unbelievers because because... allah is merciful
Don't you mean the plagiarised Zoroastrian, christian and jewish teachings and apocrypha? You mean the clouds and sky that come "willingly or unwillingly" the stones that ran away with Moses clothes, and had the sensory neurones to take a beating in the process, the mountains that have been on earth to stabilise it, not to mention the miracle of the chewed piece of meat... Are you sure you are in submission to God or Mohammed? Women are your fields: go, then, into your fields whence you please. (Qur'an 2:223) "Do not marry off but from one to four, and add no more. If you are afraid you will not deal fairly, if you marry more than one, then marry one only or those your hand controls so that you will not act unjustly." sura 4:232-233. You think wives like to be raped whenever the husband feels like it, or like their husbands to be promisicious and marry other women, and like to justify it claiming this is a divine decree? So when it says lie in wait for the idolaters, ambush them, kill them, what do you do? remember there is a copy of this chant in heaven so what do you do? The "fire worshippers" got there before you. You mean the 120,000+ missing prophets no one has found yet? Plagiarism Which things? To accept islam you need to dismiss logic and common sense, once that has been done and you are prepared to chant things in a language you do not understand five times a day and accept religious decrees like wearing a turban or wearing a hijab or you are not getting into paradise, if you do not agree to this then you are "biased and prejudiced" Who understands the koran H20? Yusuf Ali? Sher Ali? Hilali and Khan? Pickthall? Ibn Kathir? or only you with no arabic scholar qualificaitons to back up your re interpretations and hadith dismissals. In other words you are making it up as you go along. |
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