Christian/Muslim ThreadsWE, US. OUR !!!!!!!!!!Greetings All, Wrong. “Plural of Majesty” did not exist in the ANE (Ancient Near East), nor in Biblical Hebrew… One of God’s names in scripture, Elohim, is the Hebrew plural form of El, the word for God, or god, in the widest possible sense. Elohim, used as a plural in scripture, can denote pagan images and the imaginary (or demonic) deities they represent (Deut 4:28, 12:2). Yet in verses such as Gen 1:1, the plural form denotes the singular supreme deity. The concept of the Uniplural nature of the Biblical God is NOT deduced from just a few “proof texts” but rather from a sustained look at the whole of the Bible. To this end, more than 500 scripture verses, BOTH OT & NT, can be identified to refer to God as BOTH singular & plural. The use of the plural Elohim for God, INSTEAD of El (the singular form) WITH singular verbs and pronouns is easily explained. All related ANE (Ancient Near East) cultures use the singular form "El" without a single case of “Elohim”. There are NO ANE parallels to support “Plural of Majesty” or the “Royal we”. The use of plural pronouns, i.e. "Us", in reference to God is a feature of the Hebrew Bible. Elohim is used of the true God, it is followed by a singular verb; when it is used of false gods, it is followed by the plural verb. There are places where the word is used of the true God and yet it is followed by a plural verb: Gen 20:13 And it happened when God made me wander from my father's house, even I said to her, This is your kindness which you do to me: at every place where we come there, say of me, He is my brother. Gen 35:7 And he built an altar there and called the place Elbethel; because God revealed Himself to him there when he fled from the face of his brother. 2Sa 7:23 And who is like Your people, like Israel, the one nation in the earth that God went out to redeem to be a people for Himself, and to make Himself a name, and to do for You great and fearful things for Your land, before Your people which You redeemed to Yourself from Egypt, from nations and their gods? The Triune nature of the Creator God can be seen in the same passage here: Isa 48:12 Listen to Me, O Jacob, and Israel My called: I am He; I am the First; surely I am the Last. Isa 48:13 My hand surely founded earth, and My right hand has stretched out the heavens; I called to them, they stood up together. Isa 48:14 All of you gather and hear: Who among them has declared these things? Jehovah has loved him. He will do His pleasure on Babylon; yea, His arm shall be on the Chaldeans. Isa 48:15 I, I have spoken; yea, I have called him, I brought him, and he causes his way to prosper. Isa 48:16 Come near to Me; hear this: I have not spoken in secret from the beginning. From its being, I was there; and now the Lord Jehovah, and His Spirit, has sent Me. The speaker refers to Himself as the one who is responsible for the creation of the heavens and the earth. It is clear that he cannot be speaking of anyone other than God. But then, in verse 16, the speaker refers to himself using the pronouns of "I" and "me" and then distinguishes himself from two other personalities. He distinguishes himself from the Lord Jehovah and then from the Spirit of God. Here is the Tri-unity as clearly defined by the Hebrew Scriptures. References: “TWOT” Archer, Harris, Waltke pp. 44-45 “Names of God” J.D. Douglas p.478 Here are some quotes from Gleason Archer when he was debating Muslims on the John Ankerberg show…
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