Christian/Muslim ThreadsHow do Muslims view the war in Iraq?Peace Lady Fatima, There is plenty of moral corrosion on the Islamic world. Perhaps it's more covered up but certainly it exists. I would much rather live here than in a place where I could be killed because the hatred is so powerful and there is intoleration for everything and anything that is not Islamic. The worst corrosion is in your world. If people want to make big sluts of themselves and reject God, let them do that. They will pay dearly for their infidelity. But you can't force them to conform and live a certain way. Oppression is evil in all ways. God gave us free choice. No western country should ever make an Islamic state their ally, no one can trust people that are intensely hateful and radical. That's called a socialist state. That's what Europe has become and that's what the Democrats want to maike. That's why I'm a Republican and will vote Republican for elections. I would rather have Bush than Kerry in office. You must understand this. I wouldn't worry about socialism or liberalism being an issue in an ultra-right Islamic world that suffers from the exact opposite of socialism: religious fascism. Both are bad political systems. Precisely. The Islamic world has it's great time, which has, sadly for you, ended. Your people should get over that and stop being so darn jealous of the more successful West. The West is having it's high time. That may not last forever either. Well, the Byzantine empire fell 1457 AD, I believe. Constantine began the Eastern Empire in the 4th century. It's history. I wouldn't blame Christianity, a heavenly religion, with man's faults. The Pact of Omar put nasty retrictions of repairing and rebuilding places of worship. It was designed for a slow annhiliation of rival religious communities. Islam truly does not tolerate non-Islamic "infidels" and their "infidel" religions. My ancestors came straight from Europe, none had a hand in hurting Native Americans. There were some tragedies done agaisnt them, No one can deny this. You should be disappointed in Omar and the others. They unkindly conquered mighty Persia and North Africa, and many other lands. Christianity was peacefully preached throughout Europe and Ethiopia. Charlemange did force the Saxons to convert. St. Patrick, St. Bede, etc. all peacefully brought nations to the faith. It's the will of God that most of the world is Christian. That should tell you who's side God is on. Sad but true. Ask Muhammed why he told Omar and his men to give an ultimatum to Yazigird III of Persian to surrender to Islam or be conquered. I have the Hadith. It has been going on for "years", doesn't make it right. Let them go on their spiritual journey then. Don't have them killed because they don't want to be part of the society's faith. It's up to the Islamic state to ensure no one is expose to anything by outlawing Christian preaching and pro-Christian literature. Sad you must rely on oppression and fascism to prevent people from leaving Islam. Satan is a control-freak and doesn't want people to become Christian. How can it be justified to punish someone for making an ultra-personal decision? People must have power to have their relationship with God. That can't be imposed. Shame you can't use any of the verses you quotes agaisnt me. Ecclesiasticus is an Old Testament Jewish writings. It's not something to take verbatim and live by. Paul, Peter, and James were early Jew-Christians that believed in the old-way. That way was how things were in that time. It is not something that means anything today. This is not the ancient world. I don't live by life by the words of Paul or Peter, but Jesus Christ. Their letters are invaluable however, they offer good reflections and advice on how to be a good Christian and apply the Gospels to one's life. Jesus Christ said nothing about woman submitting to men, only "the guys" wrote in stuff like that in their letters. Jesus did say ONE woman and ONE mad get together and that's marraige. Your faith REGRESSED from this. Polygamy is false and regressive. How do you feel about this Lady Fatima? A man have have 4 wives. Why can't you have 4 husbands? Why this devaluing of woman? A woman's soul should compliment one man's soul, right? A marriage should be a union between two people of two sexes, right?? Men shouldn't have their own little harems. Is there jealousy among spouses in a polygamous relationship? Or are the woman fine being the man's sex-mistress for maybe one or two nights of the week? Face it my dear, Islam a man's religion! God isn't a tyrant, is he? Democracy was created to prevent tyranny. If a religion becomes a tyrannous control-freak cult than it is EVIL. My language is sometimes harsh, but faith should be on a personal level over a state level. It's a nobel idea to live in the perfect society where there is only one faith, the true faith. But this world cannot offer this. You must be realistic. This ideal Islamic state is unreal in this world. I wish we had an ethical and pure Christian society. But these things have been attempted but have failed. Christian states failed and Islamic states have failed. That failure is not something Muslims really want to believe so you cling to the idea anyways which has only produced some highly corrupt oppressive countries like Iran. Here's a story I heard today in Iraq. A 14-year old boy went to AMerican troupes and told them his father was one of Sadr or whomever's terrorist group and tha the has lots of ammo and explosives in his house. So the troupes enter the home and sure enough they obtained a good stash of explosives. The son is now staying with American troupes because his faither would kill him if he want home. His poor mother was killed! These are the ANIMALS we're dealing with here. They'd kill their wives and sons!!! These aren't freedom fighters or fighting for Islam, these are plain ANIMALS. |
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