Liberate wrote:What and where is this liquid that is in the thorax that produces sperm and ovum? You are saying you didn't say sperm and ovum is produced from between the backbone and the ribs, when it is implied with the nonsense above, where are your scientific journals that support your singular assertion that sperm and ovum are produced from a liquid in the thorax ( showing me pictures of male and female reproductive systems as if it supports your point of view means you are taking your audiences for idiots)
In my post, that seems to go over your head, it was a
question as to what is the sperm and the ovum created from not where they come from .
H2O wrote:So what is this liquid that lodges in the Thorax of both male and female that we are created from?
Males produce sperm but what is the sperm created from in the body ?
Females produce ovums which are follicles before ovulation. So what is the follicles created from in the body ?
Before they become living organisms ie cells they were created from something in the body
They were questions as what was the sperm and ovum created from which do not say that the sperm or ovum proceeded from out of the Backbone and the Ribs ie the Thorax.
No one could answer it so I ellaborated on it :
H2O wrote:So what is this liquid that lodges in the Thorax of both male and female that we are created from ?
Males produce sperm but what is the sperm created from in the body ?
Females produce ovums which are follicles before ovulation. So what is the follicles created from in the body ?
Before they become living organisms ie cells they where created from something in the body.
This question was left open on another Forum
http://www.jesus-christ-forums.com/home/viewtopic ... ght=#35518 and no one could respond to it. The Ovum of a woman and the sperm of a man is
made of plasm.
This plasm is produced from "maa'a" or liquid from between the backbone and the ribs of men and women :
http://www.jesus-christ-forums.com/home/viewtopic ... 8884#38884
Thus was further ellaborated on in Tafsir Al-Mujaalid Samiy Abdullah as to Surah 86:5-7 :
"This liquid that both male and female are created from is ejected coming out from between the backbone and the ribs which is the THORAX area of the spinal. Whos Thorax does this Liquid come out from ? It is the Thorax of both male and female and not just the male in which the Subject is refering to both male and female. The Ovum of a woman and the sperm of a man is made of plasm. This plasm is produced from "maa'a" or liquid or what is known as spinal fluid that circulates through the back bone that is also absorbed through veins"
Liberate wrote:Do you even realise the logical implications of your entire argument?
Maybe if he divorces his wives allah will grant him virgins submitters and obedient ones <-- all this coming from the first person? Does this sound like such a statement came from the first person who is suppose to be divine? with two conditional clauses?
Maybe if ? There are two seperate clauses and now because of your predjudice prognostic outlook you are now trying to make them as one.
Perhaps his Lord(1st clause), if he (Muhammad) devorced you all(interjected 2nd clause), that He(Allah) will replace for him(Muhammad) spouses better than you (continuation and completion of the first clause)....."
The order of rendition of the clauses:
"Perhaps that his Lord will replace for him spouses better than you all if he devorced you...."
The grammatical indication in Arabic that is void in english was explained :
H2O wrote:The Arabic words "anna" "an" both convey "that" but have two different significance in the Arabic language.
Both are conjuntions in which "anna" "that" is the equivalent of "that" in English
The Arabic "an" "that" with verb (yubdila ~ He will) in the subj. indicating an action not yet realized, an expected or possible event which is mansoob of "'asaa" ~ perhaps denoting the certainty of a thing more than likely to happen.
In the Arabic it indicates that IF Muhammad (s.a.w.) had devorced his wives it was more than likely in certainty that Allah would have given him wives better than them.
We find it to be a mere polite, rather than harsh, way of a warning towards the wives of the prophet.
As for Allah speaking of himself in the third person is nothing new. Through out the entire Quran Allah speaks of himself in the third person and in the first person.
Muhammad (s.a.w.) is also spoken of in the third person (his) in that verse that you are so wantonly scrutinizing.
You automatic assert that it is Muhammad who is speaking in his own words cause you dont believe he is a prophet and that the words he utttering are being transmitted from Allah. We believe the complete oposite.
Now in the atheistic view and understanding it would be Angel Gabriel who is speaking through Muhammad to his wives as he was the one that brought the message from Allah to Muhammad (based on the claims of the Quran) in which
both Allah(s.w.t.) and Muhammad(s.w.a.) are spoken of in the third person.
[2] Say, "Anyone who opposes Gabriel should know that he has brought
down this (Quran) into your heart(Muhammad), in accordance with GOD's will, confirming
previous scriptures, and providing guidance and good news for the believers."
[16] Say(Muhammad), "The Holy Spirit has brought it (Quran) down from your Lord, truthfully, to assure those who believe, and to provide a beacon and good news for the submitters."
[26.191] And most surely your Lord(Muhammad) is Mighty, the Merciful.
[26.192] And most surely this is a revelation from the Lord of the worlds.
[26.193] The Spirit of Truth has descended with it,
[26.194] Upon your heart (Muhammad) that you may be of the warners
[26.195] In plain Arabic language
Gabriel is called by the honorable titles
The Holy Spirit and
The Spirit of Truth
It is also interesting to know that the name " Gabriel" in Arabic (Gbryl) has the same gematrical value of the word "Al-Ruh' " (the Spirit), both being 245. G=3 , B=2, R=200, Y=10 and L=30, therefore 3+2+200+10+30 = 245. While the word Al-Ruh' (The spirit) has , A=1, L=30, R=200, U (waw)= 6 , H'=8, therefore 1+30+200+6+8 = 245 ........In conclusion, the "Holy Spirit" in the Quran refers to the angle Gabriel and has nothing to do with Trinity or part of a Trinity. Trinity is denounced in the strongest language in the Quran.
http://www.submission.org/jesus/holy_spirit.html