Christian/Muslim ThreadsHow Do Christians Read The Quran ?Being that the answer was already there why ask such a question "Are you honestly trying to tell us maybe doesn't mean maybe in arabic?" when it was right there in front of your face. Your question indciated you didnt know it had such denotations then now you agree to its three denotations You agree that "'asaa" maybe/perhaps denotes " hope in the case of that which is liked or disliked as an opinion, or doubt, or certainty " but then you render it above as (denotes uncertainty) and why not (denotes certainty). You have no clearification on your side to determine if it denotes an opinion, doubt, or certainty. I have shown its mansoob that clearify its denotation as "certainty". Nope. Thats why we have a responsibility to teach those who do not know. Why does Allah make some rich and some stay poor or in between ? Imagine that. If Islam dominates the earth that means Arabic also will be the dominating language. One religion, one language, one brotherhood, one G-d etc. Think about it. [quotte]Quote: " The Koran is one of the worlds classics which cannot be translated without grave loss." (Ref. A. Guillama, Islam, P. 73) Quote: Adding to this the english language it self falls short and is limited in conveying the proper significant meaning of the Arabic in which Tafsir is need for those who do not speak Arabic for them to obtain a fuller understanding. Liberate wrote: Now you are admitting you need a tafsir to understand it, if I were to show you some of the unbelievable nonsense in your tafsirs you are going to start acting that you are quran only again as you are doing with the hadiths. [/quote] Did you see in bold who the Tafsir is for ? No those are the creation accounts according to the interpretation of the translators that are subject to error. Now you are debating with an Arabic speaker. My reference is the Quran in Arabic not a translation. Now what do those verses mean to me when I read them in their original ? Here it is as follows with its Tafsir: 16:4 He created man (male and female) from a nutfah (a thing that trickles) [ie a sperm] Tafsir Al-Mujaalid Samiy Abdullah : ["nutfah" is a feminine verbal noun derived from the root "natafa" meaning to trickle dribble or drop. Male and female "al-insaan" is created from this thing that determines their gender] 32:8 and then He made his (Adam and his Wife) progeny from an extract from contemptible water Tafsir Al-Mujaalid Samiy Abdullah : [ the progeny of man is created from an extract drawn from contemptible water or fluid in the human body. There is nothing stating directly or inderectly that this is semen] 35:11 and Allah created you all from dust, and then a nutfah (a thing that strickles), and then He made you all as pairs.. Tafsir Al-Mujaalid Samiy Abdullah : [ The evolution of the creation of mankind is here spoken of. Allah began his creation of dust and thus his body is composed of dust which is one of the constituents of his body as we see when the body decomposes after death it become as dust once again. The dust element of the body is used to produce the nutfah along with other constituent elements such as water.Then from nutfah the pairs of male and female are created from which determines the gender.] 53:46 from a nutfah (a trickler ie. sperm) when emited Tafsir Al-Mujaalid Samiy Abdullah : [ The study of the male repoductive system shows that the sperm is emited from at least 3 parts of the male. 1) from the Scotum 2) Prostate glands 3) and then the penis which druing emition passes through the Epididymis from the Scrotum that pushes it out to the prostate glands that adds fluid ie semen to it and then through the Urethra of the Penis.] 56:58 then do you see what you emit ? Tafsir Al-Mujaalid Samiy Abdullah : [ The question in this verse is addressed to both male and female of something to which they both emit. Being that females are also addressed here it negates reference to semen of a man but to something else. This is obviously refering to the male and female gametes that are both emited but cannot be seen with the naked eye. The Ovum is emited from the ovary which is called ovalation. As to the male sperm please see the Tafsir on verse 53:46] 75:37 was he (man ie male and female) not a nutfah (a trickler ie. sperm) from semen emited ? Tafsir Al-Mujaalid Samiy Abdullah : [ Allah turns the attention of man to the thing that trickles (Nutfah) ie sperm in which they were created from. The sperm is FROM the semen in which males emit. This is a clearification that the nutfah (the trickler) is not the same as the manee (semen) in which the language denotes the Nutfah is in the Semen that man is created from] 76:2 Verily We, We created man (male and female) from a nutfatin amshaajin (a trickling germ / a trickler a germ) for Us to test him so We made for him hearing and sight. Tafsir Al-Mujaalid Samiy Abdullah : [ The nutfah is now called a germ or "a trickling germ" in the reading of the Quran distinguishing it from "semen" or any discharged fluid of either male or female] 80:19 (he is created) from a nutfah (a trickler ie sperm) then He(Allah) proportioned him Tafsir Al-Mujaalid Samiy Abdullah : [ "proportioned" Arabic "qaddar" means to decree or determine a thing. Man's life is proportioned with good and evil in balance as trials for him in which he will be tested with. His time of birth and death are all decreed for him] 865)6-7 So then let man (male and female) consider from what they are created from. They are created from ejected liquid coming out from between the backbone and the ribs. Tafsir Al-Mujaalid Samiy Abdullah : [This liquid that both male and female are created from is ejected comming out from between the backbone and the ribs which is the THORAX area of the spinal. Whos Thorax does this Liquid come out from ? It is the Thorax of both male and female and not just the male in which the Subject is refering to both male and female. The Ovum of a woman and the sperm of a man is made of plasm. This plasm is produced from "maa'a" or liquid or what is known as spinal fluid that circulates through the back bone that is also absorbed through veins.] And you have mistaken me or you were not paying attention to what I said. I think you are bringing your own personal debated issues with other muslims into this. I mentioned no such thing: It is the plasm of the gene I made reference to that is produced from the liquid in the back bone. I dont know how you have your glasses on but I made no such remark as you implied. Dr. Willaim's error in the first place is that 86:5-7 as we have explained it above has nothing to do with semen. There is no word for semen there in those verses. He relied on an inaccurate translation. Why dont you go use your bot translator that you have been so accustom of using . Seems you only use that online translator when if favors you but if it doesnt favor you you dont use it. Liberate this is getting off the topic like you did before on the the moon god al-ilah thread. This thread is about "How do Chritians Read The Quran" not about hadith. If you want to debate me on islam in general I would be more than glad to cure your sickness. Lets take this to http://www.jesus-christ-forums.com/home/viewtopic ... 8966#38966 it a new thread I opened just for you cause I know you habits of not sticking to the topic. Other than that I will answer no more of your hadith delusions on this thread which is about Christian understanding of the Quran not hadith. And thus I will only answer Question dealing with the Quran only in reagards to Christian understanding.. |
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