Liberate wrote:Why is it that the online translator agrees with the majority of accepted quranic translations, and the rules of arabic, what is your qualification as an arabic scholar?, to dismiss what seasoned scholars, and an independent neutral arabic translation utilising the rules of arabic have to say?
Your bot translation and Shakir have failed to translate "an" which clearifies "'asaa" ~ perhaps/maybe to denote the certainty of an act that would be done.
Liberate wrote:Are you honestly trying to tell us maybe doesn't mean maybe in arabic?
Your answer was given:
The Arabic word "'asaa" denotes hope in the case of that which is liked or disliked as an opinion or doubt or certainty (Ref. Edward Lane Arabic Lexicon)
In english it denotes doubt, in Arabic it can be any of the three denotations in bold above.
what exactly does the 3 denotations above say:
"denotes hope in the case of that which is liked or disliked"
...as an opinion
... or doubt
... or certainty
Is this not the definition of maybe? What has changed? Are you taking us for idiots? You have an allah that speaks in the third person using uncertainty narratives but this is supposed to be God.
Are you trying to play games with the meaning of maybe? Do you honestly think we are this gullible?
So this sounds like God to you: The creator of the known universe, when alledgedly speaking as the first person says this:
Maybe (denotes uncertainty)
his(third person possessive pronoun) lord...
Liberate wrote:You have dismissed all the accepted english translations of the koran. You even dismissed the widely accepted Yusuf Ali translation, listening to you, someone would leave with the impression that Yusuf Ali didn't understand english properly rather than a Cambridge graduate.
Accepted by who ? Translations of the Quran have not authority upon Arabic speakers not to mention do to the fact when you translate the Quran you lose meaning:
Does it not occur to you then that allah
has failed in sending his message to mankind, when 90%+ of his converts do not understand the language they chant five times a day, and will lose meaning if it is translated in any other language.
" The Koran is one of the worlds classics which cannot be translated without grave loss." (Ref. A. Guillama, Islam, P. 73)
Adding to this the english language it self falls short and is limited in conveying the proper significant meaning of the Arabic in which Tafsir is need for those who do not speak Arabic for them to obtain a fuller understanding.
Now you are admitting you need a tafsir to understand it, if I were to show you some of the unbelievable nonsense in your tafsirs you are going to start acting that you are quran only again as you are doing with the hadiths.
Liberate wrote:
what is your qualification as an arabic scholar?
tell us again what are your scholarly qualifications in arabic?
Sure. I completed Fus-haa Arabiyyah studies at the Islamic Center of Boca Raton in Quranic Grammar, Linguistics, and Orthography. Our Shaikh and Teacher was Qari Ahmad Tameem from Masjid Al-Azhar who is a graduate mu'alim of the Al-Azhar University the leading University of Classical and Modern Arabic studies.
It seems you didn't answer my question,
what qualifications do you have as an arabic scholar? I didn't ask for the qualifications of your tutor, did the islamic Center of Boca Raton award you a doctorate or the equivalent in translating and speaking arabic? How many years have you been speaking arabic?
Re: Let me give you something you can relate to(Liberate wrote):
Which of course has nothing to do with the phenominon relation of the Quran to your insignificant and un-scientifically supported accuasation of assocaiting it with epilepcy.
Did you read a word of it?
You assess that the koran is a phenomenon because of the way it was revealed.
What makes you think this has anything to do with God?
I asked you what previous prophet of Judaism or christianity thought of committing suicide after an encounter with God or an angel of God, or where did the God of the christians or jews send poetry as inspiration via epileptic fits in any previous revelation (from a God that changeth not)? These are the simple questions any rational individual will ask if we are worshipping the same God, especially when the message from the God of the christian and the jews is resounding that this is a God that changeth not. Why the sudden change to arabic only, epileptic fits only, revelations via one man only, who is sanctioned to rape, kill and loot yet he is without sin.
I show you an analogy of a few religions after islam, that believe in the unity of God and perform charitable acts, and ask you what you make of them hundreds of years after islam, are they all worshipping the same allah?
What makes you think islam is worshipping the same God as the christians or the jews?, especially when it insults the prophets and followers of this religion and God that He could not protect any of His messages, from Adam all the way to the disciples of Jesus.
I find it very strange your response is to laugh at the hadith?? regardless of the implications of that hadith!!! In the process of defending your religion you chose to laugh at it, reveals a great deal about your character and your motives for being on this forum, why didn't you address the child looking like it's mother or father superstitious nonsense in that hadith or was that a laughing matter to?
This liquid that both male and female are created from is ejected comming out from between the backbone and the ribs which is the THORAX area of the spinal.
The audacity to speak such dribble means you must take us for idiots
16:4 He has created man from a sperm-drop
32:8 He made his seed from a quintessence of despised fluid
35:11 ... then from a little fluid
53:46 From a sperm-drop when lodged (in its place)
56:58 Do you then see? The (human Seed) that ye emit
75:37 Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)?
76:2 We created Man from a drop of mingled sperm
80:19 From a sperm-drop He hath created him
86:6-7 He is created from a drop emitted - proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.
These are some of your creation accounts according to Mohammed, all state that man is created from sperm, that it is emitting from between the backbone and the ribs.
]"Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted - Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs:" S. 86:5-7
Dr. William Campbell explains why this passage is incompatible with modern medical knowledge relating to the production of semen:
Here we find that Man is made from a 'gushing fluid' that issues from the adult father during the 'now' of the reproductive act, from a specific physical place 'between the loins and the ribs.' (other translations have backbone instead of loins)
Since the verse is speaking of the moment of adult reproduction it can't be talking about the time of embryonic development. Moreover, since 'sulb' is being used in conjunction with 'gushing fluid', which can only be physical; and 'tara'ib' which is another physical word for chest or thorax or ribs, it can't be euphemistic. Therefore, we are left with the very real problem that the semen is coming from the back or kidney area and not the testicles.
Here is a tafsir on sura 86 to help you understand what you believe in:
(He is created from a water gushing forth.) meaning, the sexual fluid that comes out bursting forth from the man and the woman. Thus, the child is produced from both of them by the permission of Allah. Due to this Allah says,
[ููุฎูุฑูุฌู ู
ูู ุจููููู ุงูุตููููุจู ููุงูุชููุฑูุขุฆูุจู ]
(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) meaning, the backbone (or loins) of the man and the ribs of the woman, which is referring to her chest. Shabib bin Bishr reported from `Ikrimah who narrated from Ibn `Abbas that he said,
[ููุฎูุฑูุฌู ู
ูู ุจููููู ุงูุตููููุจู ููุงูุชููุฑูุขุฆูุจู ]
(Proceeding from between the backbone and the ribs.) "The backbone of the man and the ribs of the woman. It (the fluid) is yellow and fine in texture. The child will not be born except from both of them (i.e., their sexual fluids).'' Concerning Allah's statement,
[ุฅูููููู ุนูููู ุฑูุฌูุนููู ููููุงุฏูุฑู ]
Maybe at this point the tafsir is an israeliyyat or whoever wrote it "had terrible reading comprehension"
The hadith makes mention that the resemblance of a child favores either its mother or father depending on a "maa'a" liquid from the man or the woman in which his/her liquid "sabaqa" overtake, overcomes, outstrips, advances the other.
This is refering to the strength of the gene protoplasm of the sperm or the ovum. If the genes in the male sperm or female ovum is stronger than or supersedes the other then the child will turn out to resemble him or her.
For someone who alledgedly studied embryology I find it unbelievable to hear you
SAY ovum and sperm is produced from between the backbone and the ribs.
Let us elaborate exactly what Mohammed was talking about:
Read very carefully the following hadith, see the similarity between the hadith with Abn allah:
Thauban, the freed slave of the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him), said: While I was standing beside the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) one of the rabbis of the Jews came and said: Peace be upon you, O Muhammad. I pushed him back with a push that he was going to fall. Upon this he said: Why do you push me? I said: Why don't you say: O Messenger of Allah? The Jew said: We call him by the name by which he was named by his family. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: My name is Muhammad with which I was named by my family. The Jew said: I have come to ask you (something). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Should that thing be of any benefit to you, if I tell you that? He (the Jew) said: I will lend my ears to it. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) drew a line with the help of the stick that he had with him and then said: Ask (whatever you like). Thereupon the Jew said: Where would the human beings be on the Day when the earth would change into another earth and the heavens too (would change into other heavens)? The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: They would be in darkness beside the Bridge. He (the Jew) again said: Who amongst people would be the first to cross (this bridge)? He said: They would be the poor amongst the refugees. The Jew said: What would constitute their breakfast when they would enter Paradise? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: A caul of the fish-liver. He (the Jew) said. What would be their food after this? He (the Holy Prophet) said: A bullock which was fed in the different quarters of Paradise would be slaughtered for them. He (the Jew) said: What would be their drink? He (the Holy Prophet) said: They would be given drink from the fountain which is named "Salsabil". He (the Jew) said: I have come to ask you about a thing which no one amongst the people on the earth knows except an apostle or one or two men besides him. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Would it benefit you if I tell you that? He (the Jew) said: I would lend ears to that. He then said: I have come to ask you about the child. He (the Holy Prophet) said: The reproductive substance of man is white and that of woman yellow, and when they have sexual intercourse and the male's substance prevails upon the female's substance, it is the male child that is created by Allah's Decree, and when the substance of the female prevails upon the substance contributed by the male, a female child is formed by the Decree of Allah. The Jew said: What you have said is true; verily you are an Apostle. He then returned and went away. The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: He asked me about such and such things of which I have had no knowledge till Allah gave me that. (Sahih Muslim, Book 003, Number 0614)
Compare with the hadith with Abn Allah
Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 55, Number 546:
What is the first portent of the Hour? What will be the first meal taken by the people of Paradise? Why does a child resemble its father, and why does it resemble its maternal uncle"
This is Mohammed's response:
"The first portent of the Hour will be a fire that will bring together the people from the east to the west; the first meal of the people of Paradise will be Extra-lobe (caudate lobe) of fish-liver. As for the resemblance of the child to its parents: If a man has sexual intercourse with his wife and gets discharge first, the child will resemble the father, and if the woman gets discharge first, the child will resemble her."
What do you think Mohammed is talking about gender or resemblance?