Christian/Muslim ThreadsAllah used By Christians and Jews before Islam ?Didn't you read what I said? I am not white, I have nothing to do with the propaganda you speak of, and I have never said anything about any yankee. If you can't deal with objections I raised, why then do you ask to have a discussion on the subject? It is amazing that they can't offer up any evidence other than the doubtful inscription you have mentioned. Had there been any solid evidence, do you think they would not offer it up? Why do they have to settle for dubious claims? The problem is that there is no evidence to indicate for or against. I said that I am doubtful, I never claimed that I had certainty! He who claims certainty must be because he has proof; so let me see the real evidence! Don't offer up dubious information, that can't even be verified. I haven't heard anything. So far, that is some information you haven't even verified. Why has it not been verified? And you know well that even if that so called inscription is verifiable to have existed in the 4th century, there are more problems with it. You are too emotional, you know. Christians have the right to disagree with any of their brethren, if they don't think something is correct. It is not like we are to be like blind sheeps following a blind shepherd. There is no "heat" coming from no one. It isn't like we are calling them to be in defiance of God or anything of that sort. It is simple discussion.
Look, I am weary of this attitude of yours. I don't like to have to repeat over and over the same thing. So please stop accusing me of things you have no idea of. You don't know me, so don't try to tell me what I have and what I have not. I have no idea what in the world you refer to propaganda, and much less have I studied any 'propaganda'. Stick with the subject, and deal with it... or else give it up. Oh, so now we are using assumptions about what Jesus used and what did not? How do you know that Jesus did not use the name of God? Jesus in his prayer clearly states that he made known His name. In fact, Jesus himself bore the name, for Jesus' name is Yeh'Oshua which is Yehovah Saves, or Yehovah's Salvation. And that is why Jesus' name is also setup above all other names, because it bears the name of the Father, as He also said to Moses, "My name is in him." (Ex 23:21) Says you. Oh my, what a twist! Islam uses the word Allah to refer to God, how do you expect them to refer to him? The thing we are arguing here is whether or not the word Allah is the proper name for God, or not. This is circular reasoning. The Quran gave the name Allah, so you can't say that the Arab Christians used it, simply because the Quran uses it. It is not a matter of belief. If you are a Christian, then you know the name of Yehovah, and you know the name of Yehoshua. Silly. Here is what one of your fellows writes on the subject of Al-ilah: The `Arabic term "Allah" is a combination of two words, "Al" (ال) and "ilah" (إله). "Al" is the definite article in Arabic. Semitic linguists believe that the original root definite article of all Semitic languages was "Hal." With Hebrew it evolved as "Ha" and Arabic as "Al." Though it is not written as a letter in the Hebrew language the first consonant of the word following "the" (ה) in Hebrew is doubled just as is done by the "Lam" (ل) in the `Arabic "Al" (ال) when it precedes certain letters. The second word is "ilah." This means "divinity" or "god." But "ilah" is not definite. It can be made feminine (إلاهة), it can be made plural (آلهة) and thus does not always convey the absoluteness of THE ONE God. So accordingly, when speaking of THE One God of Monotheism, the Qur'an says "Al-ilah" (الإله) which is conjugated into "Allah" (الله). http://www.taliyah.org/articles/moses.shtml It isn't that difficult. Transliteration variant, you say. Well, show me the inscription, so I can verify that it is a variant of the transliteration, and not a variant of the text itself. Also, since according to Muslims, 'ilah' is the term used for god, while allah is the term used for the Islamic god, to differentiate between it and the other gods, then why is this an exeption? Also, if the term ilah is a term for 'god', then it is most definately NOT a name, but a title. Notice that in the New Testament, we do use Theos, which is NOT the name of Yehovah, but it means 'god' -- which is a title. If Allah is a name, then that most definately debunks the argument from Muslims that Allah is the same Christian God, for the Christian God is not named Allah, but YHWH. Eloah, El, Elohim -- these are not the name of YHWH, these are titles, and are used for any god -- Baal and any of the other gods are called Elohim, too. There is only one name given by God, as HIs own forever, and that is Yehovah. Talk about bigotry. So far, you are the only bigot in here. Again, I need to see the text, to be able to verify this argument. Without the text, the only evidence we have is the transliterated transcript. That does not support your argument. |
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