Christian/Muslim ThreadsSexual attrocities in Islam100% Muslim wrote: Kai replies: I can hardly believe what I read here. So as you say there is something inside every male human being called ego, which allows itself to beat his wife, and Islam simply legalizes this, and defends this decision by decorating the female torture with some guidelines and regulations, and these regulations should make such atrocities acceptable. This is what I mean when I say that Islam is a man-made creation, based on a male dominating culture and concept. Do you Muslim ladies really understand what 100% Muslim is saying? He has just verified and confirmed that Islam is male-dominating, that Islam recognises the deep need of a male to beat and submit his wife, of course under the guidelines set by Islam. But so what, wife-beating is wife-beating if there are guidelines or not. What Islam says According to Sura 4: 34 a husband is permitted to beat his wife, however after a range of other means to submit her has failed. The Koran says: Men are the maintainers of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have spent of their wealth. Righteous women are obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah has guarded. Those from whom you fear rebelliousness, admonish them and desert them in the bed and smack them (without harshness). Then, if they obey you, do not look for any way against them. Allah is High, Great (Sura 4:34). This practice is equally confirmed by al-Zamakshari (vol.1, p.525) where Muhammad told the males to hang up the scourge in a place were the wife (wives) could see it. This differs from the spirit of Christianity where we read: Husbands, love your wives and do not be harsh with them (Col.4: 19) Do you see the difference? By saying all this, I have not stated that there are no positive elements in the marriage as proposed by the Koran, however, the positive elements do not substitute the negative ones. 100% Muslim continues
Kai replies: How can you possibly judge Beckham, Islam legalized the so called Muta marriages, when the soldiers were out in war and their wives were home taken care of house and family. Secondly Islam allows the rape of female captives. Muta marriages is nothing but prostitution dressed in a one or two night sexual affair marriage, and rape of females is adultery, rape and pure evil, just look at Bukhari 5:459, or look at Abu Dawud where these devastated girls and women are raped in front of their husbands. Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto your save those (captives) whom your right hand possesses". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period."" [The Quran verse is 4:24]. (From the Hadith of the Sunan of Abu Dawud, vol.2:2150) (Abu Dawud, vol.2:2150) What Beckham has done is scandalous, but reaches far from the bottom of the scandalous practices of the early Muslims and Muhammad himself, which worse of all was legalized by the religion which presents itself to be the highest religion of all. You write that every male does have the capacity to love more than one female. I love all the sisters of my faith, however, not to the extent to dream of love making. And even though I did, would that be fair to my wife, there were certainly issues between Muhammad’s wives, there are issues in every polygamy situation, so there is no way to maintain fairness toward them all, just look at Muhammad’s own marriages. So of course a man can have the capacity to love more than one women, but the answer to that is not follow your lust, but control your lust, live a holy life. Muhammad was not able to do it, neither his followers, that is why such atrocities were legalized. Rather than following the true guidelines of God and his standard they followed their own ego-led-male-dominating-lustful desire, and women became their victims. Secondly, if the natural lust of a male justifies his practice, then the same means apply for a female. If a man has the capacity to love several women at the same time, then the same thing applies for women. A lot of women lust for several men at the same time. Even more, if nature and lust justifies the means and practice, we need to consider the fact a women is able to engage in far more sexual intercourse on a daily basis than a man, thus from a natural application the Koran should certainly provide the same privileges to females as to a male. 100% Muslim writes: Kai replies: As I have proven with my previous posts, both Muhammad and his followers took captives, raped, sold slaves and perpetually raped female slaves. There were no attempts made to change people even gradually, since Muhammad himself engaged in and encouraged these practices. Anyway, the topic is sexual atrocities in Islam not slavery in Islam. 100% Muslim writes: Kai wrote: No you have not dealt with this issue at all, all you have accomplished is to verify that Islam legalises in sexual intercourse between a 56 year old man and a nine year old girl. One of my friends who used to be a Muslim, and used to be a Muslim preacher, recently converted to Christianity. One reason why he left Islam was the idea of his prophet engaging in sexual activity with a little girl. Clearly from my point of view, I would question my faith in Jesus Christ if the same factor proved to be a reality. You have not been unfaithful to your religion 100% Muslim, everything you have said corresponds to what Islam really is, and that is exactly what worries me. At least there are other Muslims (such as Osama Abdala) who in shame seek to cover up these matters. Thus I do admire you for your honesty, however, I am surprised you decide to follow a path which advocates everything you have just stated. I would encourage you to re-consider your religion and would like to invite you 100%Muslim to embrace the Christian faith, by giving your life to the Lord Jesus Christ, the true example of us all, who brings us salvation, hope, peace, but also leads us on a path of justice, love and fairness. You will not find any captives on that path, no female slaves, not rape, not sexual slavery, no child marriages, no wife beating, no compromise with a males or females sinful capacities or lust into fornication, rape or prostitution, no matter how well it is decorated. Let me again emphasise I do not despise or hate you. I do not consider you my enemy 100%Muslim, however, I am concerned about the forces and the ideology which has deceived and forced you to walk a path which initially leads to eternal condemnation. Peace Kai [/quote] |
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