Christian/Muslim Threadsquestions for the christiansSin means purposely break the rule of god. So if you say ‘unknowingly sin’, it means you ‘don’t know that you purposely break the law of god’. That is ridiculous. How could somebody doing something purposely without knowing? But it is understood if you still want to insist on your stand on this because maybe your definition of sin is different from mine.
They asked for forgiveness because they made mistakes not because they sin. Adam asked for forgiveness because He forgot. Noah asked for forgiveness because He did something that He did not was wrong. Being forgetful and not knowing are not sin. Well, maybe in Christianity they are sin. I don’t know. That is not what Luke says. Luke said all Jesus’ disciple must hate their family Ali was not a prophet. The Al-Ahzab war was recorded in the surah Al-Ahzab. It was when the Unbelievers attacked the Muslims in Medina. Read the following verses 33:9-11 O ye who believe! Remember the Grace of Allah, (bestowed) on you, when there came down on you hosts (to overwhelm you): But We sent against them a hurricane and forces that ye saw not: but Allah sees (clearly) all that ye do. Behold! they came on you from above you and from below you, and behold, the eyes became dim and the hearts gaped up to the throats, and ye imagined various (vain) thoughts about Allah! In that situation were the Believers tried: they were shaken as by a tremendous shaking. May I know whose rule is that? God’s rule or man’s rule? It cannot be man’s rule. Men do not administer the heavens and earth. Neither do they administer the hell. So, the answer is God made the rule. God has decided that hell is the place for those kinds of people. Here is another question for the christians:Does God made Hell to show His love or His hatred towards his stubborn creations? If it is to show love, can you imagine? I love you unconditionally, that was why I created Hell for my creation as a place to put those people who separate themselves from me. You have read it out of context. Let me explain… u said: “According to you if the Person is addicted and can’t control himself, he is Perfect, so if you are force to take drugs you are saying that makes you perfect?” And I replied (rephrased hopefully you get what I mean): “If I were forced to take drugs, it is not a sin because I was forced to do so. It is not a voluntary action. But that does not make me a prophet the perfect human because I sin. Prophets do not sin. Do you not?” But the bible says dying is a result of sin. The Bible teaches that death is the direct outcome of sin. Planning his own murder is for sure a bigger sin. Let me tell you this. It is so obvious that you have so little knowledge on Islam. The only scripture in Islam is Quran. The narration you quoted is not a scripture. They are stories told from one person to another before they compiled them into books. Therefore, some of the stories may be questioned in term of their authenticity. Only God knows the exact situation. And Ali is not a Prophet. He was a close companion of Muhammad. Here is how the story goes according to my reference: In 5 A.H the Jews allied themselves with the unbelievers of Mecca led by Abu Sufyan, the Bedouin tribes of Ghatafan, Solaim, Bani Qais and Bani Asad as well as the Jews of Khaibar to destroy Islam and its Prophet in a final escapade. This battle is historical in its nature and an example of the excellent defensive capabilities of the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.). It is known also as the Battle of Khandaq (ditch or trench) because of the innovative strategy of digging a trench fifteen feet wide and as deep along the undefended north-west edge of the city. The enemy soon approached and were struck dumb with astonishment. This mode of defense was unknown to the Arabs, and they were at a loss to understand how to overcome this obstacle so they laid siege. Madinah was besieged by 10,000 idolaters from diverse clans. Banu Quraidah severed their peace agreement with the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) and joined the ranks of the unbelievers. Thus, the balance of forces changed in favor of the enemy. The Muslims were deeply frightened. The Qur’an describes them saying: "When they came upon you from above you and from below you, and when the eyes turned dull and the hearts rose up to the throats, and you began to think diverse thoughts concerning Allah." Holy Qur’an (33:10) More than a fortnight elapsed, when a party of the besiegers’ horsemen found the narrowest and weakest guarded part of the ditch. Amru bin Abd Wid, Nawfal bin Abdullah and Dzarar bin Al-Khattab, led by Ikrimah bin Abu Jahl, spurring their horses leaped forward towards the Muslims and challenged them to single combat. Amru bin Abd Wid, on horseback, strolled conceitedly on the other side of the trench, taunting the Muslims and taking pride in his heroic deeds. He then shouted: "Is there anyone among you who will challenge me in a single combat?" Imam Ali (a.s.) asked the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) to permit him to accept the challenge, but the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) said: "Sit down. It is Amru." Abd Wid repeated his challenge debasing the Muslims and mocking them, saying: "Where is your Paradise to which you allege to go if you were killed? So, why don’t you send me a man accepting my challenge?" As none of the Muslims showed willingness to accept his challenge, Imam Ali (a.s.) repeated his request: "I am for him, O Messenger of Allah!" The Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) again declined saying: "Sit down, it is Amru!" Imam Ali (a.s.) showed little respect for Amru and others like him, and said, "What if he is Amru!" At this stage the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) agreed to let him go. He gave Ali (a.s.) his own sword, Dhulfiqar, dressed him with his own armor, and put his own turban on his head, and then he said, "O Lord! This is my brother and cousin. So, my Lord, do not let me alone. You are the best of inheritors!" Ali went to the battle-field and talked to Amru, saying: "You had made a promise to God that no man of the Quraish would give you two courses without you choosing one of them." "Indeed," replied Amru, "What is that?" . "I summon you to Allah, His Messenger and to Islam." Imam Ali said. "I have no need of that." He answered. "Then I summon you to fight." said Imam Ali (a.s.) "Go back," he told him, "There was great friendship between me and your father, and I do not like to kill you." "But by Allah, I like to kill you." Amru became angry and darted at Imam Ali (a.s.), who faced him boldly, as usual, and killed him. The voice of Imam Ali (a.s.) was heard heralding "Allahu Akbar" (Allah is the Greatest!) which indicated victory. When Imam Ali (a.s.) returned from the battlefield, the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.) received him and said: "The fighting of Ali bin Abi Talib with Amru bin Abd Wid is greater in measure than the actions of my people until the Day of Resurrection." After killing of Amru bin Abd Wid, Imam Ali (a.s.) had the gap in the trench which Amru had breached blocked, and took his post at that point with the intention of confronting anyone who might try to cross the trench. Otherwise, the army of the disbeliever’s, with their thousands, would have invaded Madinah and beaten the Muslims. Thus, Imam Ali (a.s.) heroism in the Battle of Ahzab was the most decisive factor in victory for the Muslims, and in defeating the army of the disbeliever’s. The death of Amru struck terror in the hearts of the enemy and they began to abandon the fight group by group. Soon, Abu Sufyan, as well, had to retreat. That is the only answer I have. The will be no other answers. If you are not satisfied, I just can’t do anything. I do not expect you to believe the above narration because I have my sources and you have yours. We have different faith and that is well understood. |
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