epistle online wrote:Beads your bible knowledge is lacking. I showed you clear scripture from Davids son of how babies go to heaven, along with the others, and yet you still deny you are wrong.
The Scripture about David's son does not show that all babies go to heaven. It simply shows that David's son went to heaven.
epistle online wrote:You are to proud to admit your wrong so you will say whatever you can.
I'm not just making stuff up here. I'm saying what I believe the Bible is teaching. You, apparently, can't refute what I'm saying so you resort to attacking my character here.
epistle online wrote:You have already threw in false imaginery doctrine to confuse. No prophet told him, because it's not in the bible. You have to believe the bible and not your own interpretation of what may have happen. You have threw this in so you would have a rebuddle. Your knowledge and wisdom shows weak ground in your statement.
So if it's not in the Bible, it can't be true? I might as well throw away all my other books then! Seriously, this is an argument you simply cannot make. Consider the following:
- Genesis 22:13
13 And Abraham lifted up his eyes, and looked, and behold behind him a ram caught in a thicket by his horns: and Abraham went and took the ram, and offered him up for a burnt offering in the stead of his son.
In the account of Abraham offering his son to the Lord as an offering, at the last second God tells him not to. In verse 13 we see that Abraham looked up and found a ram to offer in place of his son. This story is used, according to pretty much any pastor you talk to, as a foreshadowing of God providing His Son as a substitute for us on the cross. But verse 13 says nothing about God providing the ram. It only says that Abraham found it. Now according to your logic, we cannot say that God provided that ram, because it is not stated in the Bible. But why does everyone say it then? Simple. They use the rest of the Bible to interpret the Bible.
Another example. Is there any place in Scripture that specifically say that David was not a homosexual? No. So according to your logic, we cannot say for certain that David was not gay, because it's not in the Bible. But we all know better because David was a man after God's own heart, and the rest of Scripture teaches that homosexuality is a sin (added to the fact that David slept with Uriah's wife, not Uriah!), so we conclude that David was not gay. You see, you have to use the Bible to interpret the Bible.
So you can't say for certain that a prophet did not tell David that his son would be in heaven. You can't say that God Himself didn't tell David his son would be in heaven. What you have to do is look at the rest of Scripture, and when you do that you see that God does not make exceptions for anyone when he says that no one can come unto Him except through the Son.
epistle online wrote:[E. O. lists a bunch of verses about prayer, edited here for space]
All through the bible through prayer they confess there sins
Now here is the best:
Romans 10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
You must pray in order to ask to be forgiven. This does not mean it is the prayer that saves you. You ask God to save you and forgive you, and he by grace does. It's the point of contact though. Even your thoughts unto him are prayers.
All of those verse you list have one thing in common - they are prayers made by people who are already saved.
But that's beside the point. What you've done here is make a claim then that you
must pray in order to be saved. Can babies pray? No. Therefore, they are either not saved according to you because "prayer is the point of contact". If you can't pray, there's no way you can be saved, right? But then you contradict yourself by saying that babies are already saved. But if they can't pray, how can they be saved? So then you make up a little "exception clause for babies" so that you don't have to believe that God would send a baby to hell. My question to you is:
where do you get this exception clause? Jesus make it pretty clear that no one comes to the Father but through Him. You are adding to His words by saying that no one gets to heaven except through Him, unless you're a baby because babies get to go by default.
epistle online wrote:I hope you don't believe in predestination of every soul. For that is a false doctrine from Hell Beads. God has a predestinated work for us to do if we will follow him, but we are not guaranteed to go to heaven or Hell from the start. What kind of God would that be. He does not create men and choose some to burn in hell from the start. You need to get in the book.
"A false doctrine from Hell"? Where's your Scripture to back that claim up.
- Romans8:29-30
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
You say that we are only predestinated to the works that God calls us to, but what does Romans say? It says that God predestinates us to be conformed to the image of His Son. It also says that whoever is predestinated is called, whoever is called is justified, and whoever is justified is glorified. Answer me this: Are there any saved people who will not be conformed, who will not be called, who will not be justified, and who will not be glorified? The answer is no. Only saved people can be conformed, called, justified, and glorified. And there are no saved people who will not be conformed, called, justified, and glorified. Therefore, when God predestinates us to be conformed, called, justified and glorified, it is the same thing as Him predestinating us to salvation.
"What kind of God would that be"? One who is sovereign and keeps His Word.
"He does not create men and choose some to burn in hell from the start." Why not? He created man, knowing that most would reject Him, and that it would cost the life of His Son to redeem some of them. Why is it so hard to believe that a God who is all-powerful would only choose to save some of his creation and not all of it, when in fact all of his creation is guilty and deserving of hell?
epistle online wrote:I am not guaranteed to go to heaven, unless I endure to the end.
So, what, you can lose your salvation then if you don't endure? (Try not to elaborate on your answer to this question too much - this is not the thread for discussing OSAS.)
epistle online wrote:If I choose Jesus Chirst as my Lord and savior THEN will I enter in.
If you do something, then you'll be saved? Works-salvation, friend.
epistle online wrote:I already showed the scriptures of the young going to heaven. You just made up false accusations that are not in the bible of Davids son.
No, you showed Scriptures of David's son going to heaven, not all babies. I offered a reasonably explanation as to why that verse would not apply to all babies. You are the one who is adding to Scripture by saying that David is refering to all babies.
epistle online wrote:You are being a false teacher.
Again with the character attacks. If you can refute what I'm saying, do it. If not, don't resort to attacking me - it only shows that you don't have an argument.
epistle online wrote:Trust the word of God not your interpretation.
The same to you, brother.