omega wrote:There you go! So if God is the one who is decisive on whether or not a certain baby is able to receive or accept salvation by choice and knows that He will in His infinite mind, would God send this baby to heaven at death?
Yes. However, I would say that the point is not whether or not the baby can receive and accept salvation by choice, rather it's whether or not God decides to have mercy on the baby.
omega wrote:And if He is capable of doing so, then would it not be odd and even unscriptural for God to send that baby to Heaven immediately upon death according to you?
No. I've already said that if God decides to have mercy on any given baby, or on all babies for that matter, and send them to heaven, I have no problem with that. The point is it is totally up to God on who he decides to have mercy on.
omega wrote:Think about it beads.
I have, and I stand on my conclusion - if God decides to have mercy on a baby, then that baby will go to heaven. If He doesn't, then the baby goes to hell.
omega wrote:Also in my previous post I had explained how everyone is given free will, my point is that all judgment is given unto the Son and the Son exercises all authority of God,
.... unless exercising that authority means sending "innocent" babies to hell, right? According to you, Jesus doesn't have the authority to send babies to hell even thought they are sinners in need of a saviour.
omega wrote:Making a choice for salvation is not a work as you stated and i had explained it i believe to you in another post regarding faith without works and being saved by grace.
Sure you explained it, but that doesn't mean you "won" the debate. If I have to do something to get salvation (like ask for it), then that means I have to work for it.
omega wrote:Take a look at the verse that immediately follows Romans 3:23 and see if you can find meaning in it
It says:Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:& To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus
Right. "on him which believeth in Jesus." Not "on him which believeth, and little babies by default."
omega wrote:Many believe that God having mercy and compassion on whomever He wants to leads to fatalism, only those who ignore the righteous character of God would believe such and then they ignore the absolutely righteous character of God and they being the finite man.
Take a look again what Paul wrote within the verses here: For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion. 16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Paul here is describing how the heart that would conjure up such questions that would go against the Sovereignty and Righteousness of God Almighty!
And he is reminding man of his finite understanding to the unlimited and infinite God.
Belief in election does not automatically imply belief in fatalism, so I'll thank you not to assume that I'm a fatalist. If I were, then I would reply to the rest of this quote, but I'm not so....
omega wrote:beads wrote: I know. That's the point. Knowing what sin is is irrelevant because we are all born with sin. If we're born with sin, then we're unrighteous. If we're unrighteous we don't get into heaven.
Actually i can answer that question completely which will spoil it all whether you believe me or not, so i'll let it be. I can assure anyone that severe closeness to God will reveal the answer to this.
Well, you're obviously closer to God than I am - at least that's what you're implying here - so why don't you enlighten me, so I can grow.
omega wrote:beads!
Your posts re great, you are one of the few here that can respond without anger.
Thanks. I've found that anger gets you nowhere in debates, and really it just makes you look like an idiot. Plus there's that whole "soft answer turns away wrath" thing.....