Christian/Muslim ThreadsWhy wont Muhammed come back at Judgement?
Where is this prophecy?
I seriously doubt that, you didn't think twice about sending me a private msg to read more of your links, but didn't bother to show what your scholar friends had to say about Al Suyuti even though u said you would respond that night, anyway...
Shites do not believe your hadiths because they believe a majority of them are forged, many of the isnads cannot be traced. The Shites are much more rigorous in hadith authentication than you would have us believe. Ok: "It is reported from Ismail ibn Ibrahim from Ayyub from Naafi from Ibn Umar who said: 'Let none of you say, 'I have acquired the whoe of the Qur'an'. How does he know what all of it is when much of it has disappeared? Rather let him say, 'I have acquired what has survived.' " Abu Musa, one of the Companions of Muhammad, said: "We used to recite a sura which resembled in length and severity to Bara'at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: "If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust." " (Sahih Muslim, vol 2, p.501)" Book 41, Number 41.1.8: Malik related to me from Ibn Shihab from Ubaydullah ibn Abdullah ibn Utba ibn Masud that Abdullah ibn Abbas said, "I heard Umar ibn al-Khattab say, 'Stoning is in the Book of Allah for those who commit adultery, men or women when they are muhsan and when there is clear proof of pregnancy or a confession.' " and just in case you are going to dismiss the hadiths of Malik as untrustworthy since they do not have a sahih next to them, I include this hadith because I recall you saying to be stoned for adultery you require 4 witnesses Book 41, Number 41.1.7: Malik related to me from Suhayl ibn Abi Salih from his father from Abu Hurayra that Sad ibn Ubada said to the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, "What do you think I should do if I were to find a man with my wife? Should I leave him there until I had brought four witnesses?" The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, said, "Yes." Are you going to say this is a false hadith and Abu Haraira has made another fabrication? or are you going to admit this hadith is genuine as it is also in Bukhari, Muslim, and Abu Dawod. If that is the case how do you justify such a stupid comment from your prophet? Did your muslim scholars fail to point out this hadith as well from the same book? I include the sahih muslim reference: Book 008, Number 3421: 'A'isha (Allah be pleased with, her) reported that it had been revealed in the Holy Qur'an that ten clear sucklings make the marriage unlawful, then it was abrogated (and substituted) by five sucklings and Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) died and it was before that time (found) in the Holy Qur'an (and recited by the Muslims). Or maybe this must be a false hadith as there is only one isnad, even though your whole hadiths are profilerated with this suckling/lawful/unlawful for marriage nonsense. It doesn't really matter how many people memorised the alledgedly divine message if the roots are bad the fruits will be bad, it would explain why converts would be arguing over the stupid legalism of wether one or two sucklings makes a marriage unlawful. For someone who was unable to show me one clear prophecy in your koran and had to settle that you believe it is from God because of the way it was written ( why is the alternative scenario that this is the way demonic/jinn possessed poets like Hassan Bin Thabbit write is so far fetched to you?) , you have a cheek to attack the prophecies of the bible when it predicts the persian, greek, roman, and collapse of the roman empires years before the events. That is not the norm and you know it, having lived in a muslim controlled country for several years having more than one wife is the norm, even now there is a Saudi man marrying his 60th wife. It's very convenient how quickly you attack the hand that feeds you whenever someone confronts you with a face of islam you do not like you suddenly claim it is not representative of islam, the government is not islamic and is corrupt nothing whatsoever to do with islam, it is a heretical sect of islam, the problem with this attitude is you and the other westernised sunni muslims only make up 5% of the world population of islam, not to mention that of that 5% many are made up of heretical sects like the Ahmadiyya movement, the Nation of Islam e.t.c. It's very strange you suddenly turn on the 95% and claim they are not representative of islam, so you the 5% have the monopoly on the truth and interpretation of islam? |
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