Lady Fatima Wrote
This hadith is regarding the obstacles that we as believers face in this world. That the desirable things of this world will lead a majority of Muslims to enter hell (for their period of time) unless Allah wishes to forgive them.
It is a meant as a warning to Muslims of what awaits them if they don't take action of their lives and they way they live their lives. When you have the time, read this link:
http://www.themodernreligion.com/ugly/wakeup.html
You will see how the hadith is actually used.
Most muslims think they will go to heaven directly without ever entering hell.
My point was to show muslims (including yourself), that when you die, you are most likely going to enter hell before you enter heaven, according to Islam.
I have already seen that site
but thanks anyway.
Lady Fatima Wrote
I'm sorry to break this to you Rome, but you have failed. But I have to be fair. The first hadith, by just reading it, would seem to be backing your point. But I don't understand why you even bothered using those other hadiths. They don't even come close to your argument.
I have not failed. The above hadiths prove my point, that according to Islam there is a higher chance of entering hell (first) rather then heaven.
Lady Fatima Wrote
I'll tell you this much. I have a hadith that speaks on the bridge that is above hell, thus explaining the verse in debate. You find me an authentic hadith that contradicts that.
There are many hadiths that contradict each other, so I wouldn't be surprised if I could find one that contradicts that.
Lady Fatima Wrote
Exactly. How do you know that you're free will will not lead you to other paths. How can you be 100% sure?
Free will can lead you astray, but it can also lead people on the "right" way. I personally believe you can't be 100% sure about anything in this life.
Lady Fatima Wrote
Nope
Yup.
Lady Fatima Wrote
Straight to heaven. No detours.
And what makes you so sure?
Lady Fatima Wrote
I wonder why I couldn't find this hadith. Firstly this is not the correct referencing. And why didn't you quote the entire hadith. By not quoting the entire hadith, you have missed what the prophet was trying to teach. Here's the hadith, in it's full wording:
Narrated Kharija bin Zaid bin Thabit:
Um Al-'Ala', an Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet said to me, "The emigrants were distributed amongst us by drawing lots and we got in our share 'Uthman bin Maz'un. We made him stay with us in our house. Then he suffered from a disease which proved fatal when he died and was given a bath and was shrouded in his clothes, Allah's Apostle came I said, 'May Allah be merciful to you, O Abu As-Sa'ib! I testify that Allah has honored you'. The Prophet said, 'How do you know that Allah has honored him?' I replied, 'O Allah's Apostle! Let my father be sacrificed for you! On whom else shall Allah bestow His honor?' The Prophet said, 'No doubt, death came to him. By Allah, I too wish him good, but by Allah, I do not know what Allah will do with me though I am Al lah's Apostle. ' By Allah, I never attested the piety of anyone after that."
There is a lesson in this hadith. It obviously does not mean that the prophet doesn't know where he will end up on judgment day because there are numerous hadiths that the prophet explains in detail what will happen on that day. And that he will be given the great intercessions and that he will be the first human being to enter the gates of heaven and will have the highest place.
The lesson that he was teaching to the companion is that he should not speak on where a person will end up once he has passed away, for such knowledge is with God only. And then the prophet uses himself to reinforce the lesson so that it will mean greater of a deal to the companion. But no, it doesn't mean that the prophet didn't know.
I advice you next time Rome. Don't concentrate on the wording, because things are not always as they seem. With many of the things the prophet did or said, was meant as lessons to his companions.
Narrated Kharija bin Zaid bin Thabit:
Um Al-'Ala', an Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet said to me, "The emigrants were distributed amongst us by drawing lots and we got in our share 'Uthman bin Maz'un. We made him stay with us in our house. Then he suffered from a disease which proved fatal when he died and was given a bath and was shrouded in his clothes, Allah's Apostle came I said, 'May Allah be merciful to you, O Abu As-Sa'ib! I testify that Allah has honored you'. The Prophet said, 'How do you know that Allah has honored him?' I replied, 'O Allah's Apostle! Let my father be sacrificed for you! On whom else shall Allah bestow His honor?' The Prophet said, 'No doubt, death came to him.
By Allah, I too wish him good, but by Allah, I do not know what Allah will do with me though I am Al lah's Apostle. ' By Allah, I never attested the piety of anyone after that."
I dont see how its changed the meaning of anything.
Lady Fatima Wrote
Peace and Blessings be to the Believers
P.S Our beloved prophet said:
"All my followers will enter Paradise except those who refuse". They said:"Oh Allah's messenger! Who will refuse?". He said: "Whoever obeys me will enter paradise, and whoever disobeys me is the one who refuses (to enter it)" (Sahih Bukhari, No.7280)
My point was not wether a muslim will enter heaven or not. It was if a muslim was going directly to heaven or will they stop of at hell first?
According to my understanding of Islam, the majority if not all of muslims will go to hell directly then to heaven.
P.S Sorry it took long for me to reply, my computer is fighting off all types of viruses.
I dunno why they come to me.
Peace