Guess it makes perfect logical sense to reveal a sura that your religion has been perfected but then reveal another verse to attach to a completely different sura, but the religion was complete in the previous sura
Yes, it does actually:
The last verse to be revealed after which no further verses containing new rules and regulations were revealed was,
"This day have I perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you and have chosen for you Islaam as your religion." [al-Maa`idah (5):4]
The last verse to be revealed was,
"And fear the Day when you shall be brought back to Allaah. Then every soul shall be paid what it earned and none shall be dealt with unjustly." [al-Baqarah (2):281]
are you aware sura 9 and sura 110 succeed sura 5 yes or no?
and you're saying new laws were introduced in those surahs?
Pls listen to what you say and apply logic to it, you say it was abrogated when where which book what sura? for it to be abrogated it must have already been in the book of God right?
No bro, there are three types of abrogation:
(1) recitation-abrogated and ruling-abrogated
(2) recitation-established and ruling-abrogated
(3) recitation-abrogated and ruling-established
When a verse is abrogated, it means either it is not a part of the Qur'an and the abrogating verse replaces it and the abrogated verse is recorded elsewhere. Or, the abrogated verse sometimes does remain in the Qur'an, and it's abrogating verse is written elsewhere (as is the case for adultery).
Again pls read what you typed earlier, first you said the kharijites falsified thousands of hadiths, then you say they identified thousands of false hadiths, which one is it? did some of them have a guilty conscience and suddenly went back to the ummayyans and said " we falsified such and such?", far from being the lying muslims you claim (on a note aside your religion says it is ok to lie) they were the first islamic puritans violently opposing anything of 'innovation' it is very convenient you attack and disown sects of muslims that you want to use as a scape goat and attach hadiths and isnads to them especially when the hadiths put the prophet and your religion in a very suspect light
You talk a lot but you don't read much:
Heh, yes please read more about the Kharijites. They
invented some 14,400 fabricated hadiths, the majority of which you rely on to disbelieve Islam.
Look at the future tense, the quantifying adjective, if I were to tell you "we have suffered some casualties today and there will be some casualties at other places whereby a large part of our memoirs will be lost, surely any rational individual can see we have already lost a part of our memoirs, and I am telling the indivdual to collect the information or a large part will be lost since it is expected we will lose some more people at other battle grounds, THE POINT we have already lost information.
Surely you can see this?
This is perhaps one of the most unfounded paragraph you've ever written. You're actually sitting here trying to explain that Abu Bakr had a problem with "a large portion" of the Qur'an being lost, but had no problem with anything less than a large portion being lost? Let me make sure this is what you're saying, that the two companions of the Prophet were nonchalantly having a conversation about having lost part of the Qur'an, but that they should really be more careful next time, in case they lose a bigger chunk. All I can say to that is "wow".
I dare you to paste the relevant articles from your links instead if you can, they do not confront a great deal of what I mention, it is obvious you are unable to defend your religion without referring to a tafsir or someone else's url, you are also unable to extract the information because it is not your point of view and you cannot defend it when holes are found and pointed out, that is why you would rather refer to a tafsir when someone askes you a simple question about a hadith or sura and askes you to apply logic to it, you know if you were to apply it logically you will be unable to defend your religion, so you tell them to go read a tafsir or an apologetic wesite in the excuse that it has been covered lots of times before and you don't want to flood. If you were to read them for yourself instead of doing a search in an islamic apologist home page and pasting the links you and everybody reading your arguments would see this, but ofcourse you better not let anybody know this so you will continue pasting links and assume you agree, and comprehend that the links are valid to the argument
You don't understand a verse, so you go to an apologetic Christian site so they can explain it to you. Then when you ask me about it, I link you to the correct exegesis, and you refuse to read it because it's irrelevant? How can the correct interpretation of the verse be irrelevant to a question you're asking me based on a FALSE interpretation of the verse. "But no no, I want to know why THIS happened" and you point to something within your own interpretation. OF COURSE I'm going to link you to other sites, you want to hear my own personal exegesis of the Qur'an? What are you?
Are you sure you are not submitting to the will of Mohammed?, suppose Mohammed asked for your 6 yr old daughter as his wife would you submit to it because it was the will of allah, suppose Mohammed decided to take your wife would you submit and be cheerful about it because it was the will of allah, or would you resist until he became "divinely inspired" and revealed that it was allah's will for you to give him your wife, do you not see there is a fine line between allah's will and what Mohammed wants?
Yes I'd agree to the Prophet's (pbuh) arbitration/request:
http://www.angelfire.com/me4/islaam/Allah8.html
I believe we have stressed this to you several times it doesn't really matter if it is memorised and pristinely transmitted, your koran never was, your hadiths state it never was, you can ofcourse chose to be blind to those hadiths and call the isnad a liar and the hadith weak, it does not really matter how pristinely transmitted it was if it is hell spurned it will still lead you to the straight and wide road that leds to hell
If you want to believe it was hell spurned, that's up to you. All I'm here to remind you is that the Qur'an you have today were the revelations spoken by Muhammad (pbuh).
Wow all christians are going to islamic hell, what an innovative idea to target the christians all bad deeds are forgiven but the christian won't be forgiven so say the shahadah it will be well with you, your realise your mentality is the reason why christians are being starved in sudan to force them to convert.
No, because in my mentality it's beyond my reach whether a Christian is guided towards Islam or not. It's not like anyone even gets credit for "converting" anyone because God explicitly says that guidance comes from Him, so no one can claim they helped by their own merit. So don't worry, nobody is interested in bothering you.
You are giving more credit and religious orientation than the plagiarist deserved, Mohammed simply heard of the christian hell and assimilated it into his religion, your allah would send people for hell because it has been predestined, or maybe they were fuel for hell, this morally wicked utterings cannot possibly have come from the Almighty.
I'm not in the business of deciding what God would or wouldn't say and rejecting divine revelation because it doesn't fit my prejudice. The plagiarism polemic is getting old, bro.
My point exactly
And that's how it will remain, as this is God's command.
what does it mean when it says "all married women are forbidden unto," "save those (captives) whom your right hands possess"
Just answer the question in your own words, no more than 3 lines would suffice.
It means God has made it lawful to have relations with unbelieving captives in Jihad for the sake of God against those waging war against God and His apostle.
I reiterate my question the hadith pls?
In red, in the link you didn't read.
http://www.ymofmd.com/books/aram/ch2s2. ... rsecutions
Read under "persecution"
Is this an answer to my question?
Yes
Read what I highlighted in bold in your source, and this is what you use as your advocate that the muslims were being starved and killed en mass, and the hadith??
Do you see why I think you don't even read what you paste?
The explanation given by the understanding-islam team is reliable.
I suggest you read the hadith again, it at no time does it suggest political upheaval, they were simply brought to Ali who set them on fire, and the reason given they were atheists nothing more nothing less. Since they disbelieved the muslims they had committed a grave crime worthy of being set on fire no matter how you try and sugarcoat it with tafsirs and morally ridiculous exergesis they were set on fire because they were atheists.
If you want to read the hadith as stand-alone, and refuse to inquire about its context or exegesis, ok. You're not even asking questions anymore, you're plucking out hadiths and removing the rationale behind the actions you read. Which is alright, I guess, since you've already decided on rejecting the actions before hearing the explanations.
Does this help you in the least?, so based on this verse you send blessings and salute him with respect:
sala allah aleihi wa salem so allah is sending blessings and saluting him with respect.
You invoke God to send His blessings, yes.
Do you use an odd number of toilet tissue too?
And eat an odd number of dates when I do, yes.
Mix falsehood with a dash of truth, a mixture of goodness the recipe for all cults, it's about getting the balance right so the gullible never see what you really are about and if you do it well enough, your adherents will still stand by you even if you start killing them and sleeping with their wives they will even make up stories showing you to be whiter than white.
You don't have to mix anything with anything, anyone who does not love the Prophet (pbuh) more than they love any other person haven't really believed. It's not like the Prophet (pbuh) needs to make excuses.
Somehow the wives were getting jealous about each other that allah was going to give his prophet virgin wives, any logical individual can see that the subject is sex, it makes no sense that allah would give his prophet virgin wives because the wives were jealous of each other at no point does it mention the wives of the prophet were jealous of each other how can you parrot what you heard from the tafsir without even reading the quran, in the sura it specifically talks about Hafsa and Aisha backing up against the prophet and the prophet threatening them that jibreel and allah will back up for him, your reasons simply defy logic.
Bro, sometimes I feel so sorry for you. You don't even know what tafsir is, you want an explanation for why what happened happened, what events took place regarding the revelations you quoted, but you don't want to look to the tafsir. Seriously there's nothing more incoherent than that. Anyway, good luck.
Do you believe in Prophetesses?
If Adam was a prophet (and to what people??), would Eve also be a prophetess?
That is what I desire to know.
She's not explicitly mentioned as a Prophetesses, so I'm not going to guess about that.
How is subsisting of a creation of the Almighty constitute for a sin?
If it's unclean and we get sick, that is the punishment, right?
If we eat unclean food, well that is just being stupid not evil.
Today we have ways of safely preparing pork and bacon.
Do you sincerely believe that one can go to hell if they ate pork in their life?
Eating pork in itself isn't sinful, disobeying God by eating the pork is sinful. You're basically asking "how can fornication be sinful if God created men and women and intercourse?" Eating pork isn't sinful because it's bad for us to eat rotten flesh, it's sinful because God said it's sinful. Yes, I sincerely believe that eating pork is punished by God.
Prophecies written in Isaiah, Psalms, Zechariah, Jeremiah, Joel. Zephaniah, etc. All of these plus more, humble. Nothing here is made up, that would for one thing not be logical considering the common occurence of such prophecies. And too the Prophets after those that wrote doen their writings would sure have taken care of their predecessor Prophets and made sure all of their writings were well preserved. That is their obligation. Most of these prophets that wrote these lived around the same time also.
Not to mention the great precison and accuracy of these Prophecies when comapred to the Gospels. Truly the Gospels are Truth as they have written in then the True Jesus and all that He fulfilled.
I don't see your logic at all. You believe that Prophecies in inauthentic texts were fulfilled because you read they were fulfilled in inauthentic texts.
That answer is not suffient.
At least I answer your inquiries the best I can.
If you're interested in getting a complete picture, that's my answer. If this subject is for some reason unimportant to you, then don't get the book. But don't say I didn't give you my answer.
Sounds good, okay I put you on my list.....
Okay, during night prayers, is that okay??
Heh, thanks, remember to pray to "the Father".
So the very basis of your reason is based on the assumption that all scripture one can't be 100% sure came from the Prophet(s), that is false?
Sorry, but that's not a good assumption.
It's not even an assumption, it's true. The Qur'an is unique as it was preserved as Muhammad (pbuh) uttered it.
I am 100% convinced in what the majority of scholars say, that the Prophets themselves wrote their Writings and they were preserved with great love like how Quran scripture was preserved. Don't be foolish and assume that Muslism loved the Quran more than Jews and Christians loved their scriptures.
But there's no evidence to suggest that those scriptures were preserved like the Qur'an.
Yes indeed! And Jesus was this perfect human.
Ok, but I said: perfect human <<<<<<<<<<<< God. So you agree that Jesus (pbuh) is subservient to God?
So why won't you accept that the Prophets did write their Writings and which were preserved by the other Prophets and holy priests.
I do accept that the Prophets wouldn't distort Scripture, but I need unequivocal proof that men after them preserved it 100%. Look at how many religious there are in the world, 99% are the works of misguiding men.
So the Law of God is a changing thing? I must question that.
It was specific to time of revelation and place.
ANd we are talking about the wise saying that Christ said "Let he who as never sinned throw the first stone", why didn't muhammed use such Godly Wisdom??? You convieniantly ignored this.
Do you agree with what Christ said? Is n't it very wise and astonishing?
I don't compare and contrast Prophets to find who said the "greatest" things. Obviously if I was alive with Jesus (pbuh) I would have accepted everything he said and it WOULD be wise because it's coming from God. Even Moses (pbuh) would have followed Jesus (pbuh) if he was alive then. However, both would have followed Muhammad (pbuh) if they lived during his life.
BTW Jesus never intended for us to let people slap us around and not resist. What He said is more about always getting back up when we're thrown down, because of our belief in Him. Life is full of tough tests and stuff.
good
The Quran gives the OK to admisnister a beating to a wife that is not being cooperative. I know a Surah speaks of this, but I don't know which one.
here:
http://www.jannah.org/sisters/end.html
YES. You will not find a Muslim community that wouldn't do something agaisnt someone who leaves Islam.
not true
But really, isn't it so illogical and wrong that Abraham would leave huis great family and follow the son that he rejected to build some obscure shroine deep into the desert???
Really, Ishmael would not have ventured out of the Sinia, he settled near Paran I believe. His descendants later migrated into Arabia
Yeah and where do you think Paran is?
Oh, it's definitely rising up!
Alot of political turmoil and insurrection over there.
Trulu all of them are a misguided lost p[eople, so backwards and lost.
If your faith was true,m you would be leading the world today.
You would have the #1 faith, as God would ensure most people follow His Good Religion.
You would be helping poor infidel West countries, but I only see the exact opposite happening.
It's not instant Karma, otherwise you must believe Bill Gates is the most religious man in the world because he's so rich. But things will change once people change themselves and return to God.
You just admitted it!
That rules out a God limited to onebody and one form.
God must at least exist in Three ways.
He is the Father, the SOn, and the Holy Spirit like matter is either gas, liquid, and solid ato once. Three different looking states, but the sa,me substance. So the Lord Hismelf must ATT LEAST be like this.
His creation ultimately reflects Him.
What can you say humble? You have helped pove the Trinity is the real God, for oneto say God is a one-bodied God in one form, then water and many of the Lord's creation is moreso complex than He is!!!
You asked if God is more complex than His creation, and I said yes, but is incomparable to His creations. Then you type the above. Are you following the conversation closely? You say things like His creation must reflect Him, which contradicts that He is incomparable to His creation. Then you say that He must AT LEAST be like water? Nice.
Well, humble, how sure are you?
Our coccyx bone is a remenant of a tail.
Our appendix is an organ apes have tha help them digest celluose.
The muscle we have that we wiggle our ears with is the same one animals use to move around their ears.
Our molars are the same as in herbivorous apes.
Would God ad extraneous animal things to humans if He just created us clean from dirt???
Or perhaps we did indeed evolve from hominids, and God created men from already existing beings.
I'm very sure, bro. And if an ear muscle in humans is the same as an ear muscle in a rabbit, and we contain "extraneous things" that make people doubt that we were created by God, then you've answered your own question. That's why God created those things, because people would rather believe that these things exist in us because we MUST have evolved, and deny that God could have, with all His power, created us with them.
Peace bros