Peace humble guest,
You believe this because you find it in the Bible, which is not traceable back to Jesus (pbuh). The whole point of Scripture is to be 100% traceable back to the Messenger who's Message was conveyed in that Scripture so that it can be authentically from God.
Actually I don't just take the Jesus of the Gospel's word.
As I have been saying the whole time, I base alot of my beliefs in what is said from prophecy. Isaiah 53, Psalm 23, and Wisdom 2 are absolute proof of Jesus's crucifixion as they all stand as a strong testiment to the accuracy of the cruficixion narrative of the Gospels.
Muhammad and Jesus (pbut) both preached openly, and the Qur'an was revealed in front of people as well.
Nonetheless Jesus was the living Word of God who taught directly to the people.
The Quran was a writing compiled and written down by a human.
Well they wanted to be ruled by the laws of God, just like everyone else, and that's called Justice, and here's the hadith:
Volume 2, Book 23, Number 413:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar :
The Jew brought to the Prophet a man and a woman from amongst them who have committed (adultery) illegal sexual intercourse. He ordered both of them to be stoned (to death), near the place of offering the funeral prayers beside the mosque."
Volume 4, Book 56, Number 829:
Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar:
The Jews came to Allah's Apostle and told him that a man and a woman from amongst them had committed illegal sexual intercourse. Allah's Apostle said to them, "What do you find in the Torah (old Testament) about the legal punishment of Ar-Rajm (stoning)?" They replied, (But) we announce their crime and lash them." Abdullah bin Salam said, "You are telling a lie; Torah contains the order of Rajm." They brought and opened the Torah and one of them solaced his hand on the Verse of Rajm and read the verses preceding and following it. Abdullah bin Salam said to him, "Lift your hand." When he lifted his hand, the Verse of Rajm was written there. They said, "Muhammad has told the truth; the Torah has the Verse of Rajm. The Prophet then gave the order that both of them should be stoned to death. ('Abdullah bin 'Umar said, "I saw the man leaning over the woman to shelter her from the stones."
Indeed, an Muhammed acted in opposition to how Jesus Christ acted.
Jesus was very noble and wise, as God is noble and wise seeing beyond the ways of man, and gave His famous teaching "For those you have never sinned, throw the first stone"
Not at all. What I'm saying is "God has ordained that the punishment for adultery, as witnessed by four, is stoning" It doesn't mean I'm sinless at all, you don't have to be sinless to obey God.
That is NOT what God ordained.
God wants people to show mercy to the adulteress, even if she is caught in the act. By showing mercy from death and giving a clear instruction that the woman stop her wickedness, that is the best that we as humans can do for that woman.
That is what God ordains, anything else is clear misguidance.
Haha, wow I can't believe I'm reading this, nice bro. "That's so intolerant!" as they say. AT least you stand up for what you believe in.
Yeah, so I'm an the extremist.
Islam didn't add those corruptions back, the Jews at the time of Jesus did NOT practice the same laws as Muslims do, that's very obvious. They remained Jews and kept their laws because they didn’t listen to Jesus (pbuh), and they kept their laws which differ from Muslim laws because they didn't listen to Muhammad (pbuh) either.
Jesus showed us that stoning adulteresses and people is not the correct way to deal with such people.
Jesus taught is that marriage is so saced of a bond that divorce is rarely acceptable, and remarriage is even the same as adultery!!
Jesus also showed us the irrelevance of certain dietary laws involving pork and other animals.
Thses and other teaches by Jesus are not verified by Islam, but rather are ignored and Islam reverts back to the old laws!!
That I don't understand and you believe the Quran is from God???
Now that cannot be possible.
On the other hand, we have those who say, “We must love the kuffar, be kind with them, and esteem them. They are nice people and they have a lot of good in them.” People who say this have mixed truth with falsehood, just as those who say they want to kill all the kuffar, without understanding or differentiation, have also mixed truth with falsehood.
It is impossible for a true believer to love a kafir: “You will not find people who believe in Allah and the Last Day having love for anyone who opposes Allah and His Messenger” (Qur’an 58-21). With this said, we do love goodness for them. There is a clear difference between loving them and loving goodness for them. If you say you love them then you are claiming that you love their essence (thaat) that you interact with in front of you, yet the believer doesn’t love any essence except the essence of Allah (Thaatul-llah), the Mighty and Majestic. If you love the good qualities in them while desiring that the possessor of these qualities is saved from the fire, and uses them in the service of Allah, while looking at them with the eye of mercy and the eye of desiring salvation for them, because you know that this pleases Allah, then in this case you have understood how to interact with them.
Matthew 5:43-48
43"You have heard that it was said, 'Love your neighbor and hate your enemy.' 44But I tell you: Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45that you may be sons of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47And if you greet only your brothers, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
Unless you Muslims can love the kuffars, you are no different than pagans. You transgress the True Law of God given by Christ. You believe what has not been revealed by God.
It's not a matter of differences in opinion. Revelation does NOT say that the Messiah is the last Prophet sent by God, but he is the last man sent by God who dies on Earth. Why speculate on what God has said? Why assume that he is the last Prophet of God when God never said this?
Revelation in the Gospels shows us that Jesus promised the Spirit of the LORD to remain with us.
The Prophets all has the Holy Spirit in them who was the voice of God.
Now ALL of us can have this voice of God that the prophets were priveleged with!
There is no need for another prophet, plus Muhammed doesn't even believe in the Spirit of the LORD!!
Read the above long section on "Jihad". Religion is NEVER imposed on people, people can always choose to disbelieve and nobody bothers them for this. Also Muhammad (pbuh) and Umar were both poorer by their deaths than when revelation began. You have a wrong idea that this wealth was horded and spent by Muslims, when it was actually redistributed to the poor, including the non-Muslims who became part of the state. In fact, Umar is quoted to have forbidden any Muslim to build a house larger than anyone else, that just shows you how no money was supposed to be spent frivolously.
Nonetheless, you don't spread religion by conquering nations and pressuring people to convert. DO NOT think that Islam wasn't pressured on the communities. Remember the Pact of Omar.
Many of the Prophets of God killed by the command of God, you know this.
Only some of the very old prophets and judges were allowed to, but the later prophets did not.
And all of these laws would gain the approval of God. Moses (pbuh) doesn't write laws that are rebellious to the rule of God.
Well, the Law of Moses is not applicable to me.
Jesus's law is applicable to Jew and Gentile.
I have a general question. When you see someone cursing Jesus, hating him, defaming Christianity, wanting to hurt believers just because he is hateful, do you love him like you love a person who meets with other believers in order to strive in the way of God?
Rather then getting angry, I feel sorrow for them.
They are misguided people that I should pray for.
They as humans are loved by God as they were created by God with as much love as any of us.
I despise his evil intentions and misguided acts, but I do not hate him as an individual.
Do you love a sinful act as much as an act of worship?
No! Nobody can love an evil act, but that is not a reason to hate the person.
Because the Bible is not divine revelation. People who accept Islam have to examine the Qur'an as a divine revelation apart from any other man-made Scripture, not judge it by a Scripture that isn't direct revelation. For example, when a Hindu accepts Islam, he doesn't search for Islam in his Hindu texts, he has to critically examine Islam for what it is.
Well, I do see the truth in my religion which has gone right over your head.
I see the blatant falsehoods in your faith, which I could not stoop down to such a level of ignorance and misguidance to take a stance against Christianity that is not even correct.
The closeness of the story has no bearing on whether a) the story is true and b) whether or not it was forged. It goes right back to the example I gave here: if both students' answers are correct, and there's no proof they cheated, then that's legitimate. If one student has a slightly different answer, but they still are similar, that STILL doesn't mean they copied off one another, it means they both had the same "Truth" from their textbook, except one of them added a detail that wasn't in the textbook.
More like there are two students and one has a copy of the other's notes and comes up with a very near, hardly different answer.
The angels bow to Adam by the command of God.
This story is found in the Quran, and also it is found in the apocryphal writing "The Life of Adam and Eve" written 1000 years after the earliest Genesis narrative!!!
Do you even know why the angels were called to bow to Adam???
Does the Quran ever tell you?
Because Adam was created in the divine image of God and when the angels bowed to him, they were bowing to the image of God!!!
Islam teaches against this!
So we have two stories here, nearly idenical, but the Quran misses the entire point of the story!! Just the silly myth is told, not the moral!!
But you only know this from the Bible, which is not the word of God nor is it traceable back to Jesus (pbuh), there's a broken link to Jesus (pbuh).
Again, I base my faith in what I read in prophecies.
That is the proof I need to see my faith as valid.
Well Jews would disagree about the Prophecy of crucifixion, but that doesn't change the fact that the crucifixion is how it appeared to them, when in fact Jesus had ascended to God
Still the Jews believe that Jesus was crucified, it even say so in the Talmud.
The connotations may be different, but that doesn't change the fact that both at one point claimed either were the "son of God," which is precisely what the verse says.
No, "son of God" is a title that varies widely in use.
It might mean a judge, a priest, a special prophet, the Messiah, alot of things.
Ezra was an important priest-scribe during the reign of Artaxerxes.
He helped the Jews back to Israel and had their temple reconstructed.
NEVER was He even called "son of God"
Not once by any Jew.
How Christians view Jesus the Messiah is radically different that Ezra.
We believe that Jesus came forth directly from God, that is our context of "Son of God".
That notion cannot and was not applied to Ezra.
This Surah is plainly wrong.
But the verse is saying that the Jews called Ezra the son of God, which they did, it doesn't say what the Jews call the Messiah.
Actually they didn't, and what about the rest of my arguments about that Surah? I would value your answers to them.