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No comment. I just loved these two sentences so much I wanted to quote them for progeny. Because I'm not in the business of conjecturing about what happened in history or inventing new theologies. I believe ONLY in what God has revealed to mankind. You didn't even read it. And tell me, where is the misunderstanding in the verse: “And they say: Allah has taken unto Himself a son. Be He glorified! Nay, but whatsoever is in the heaven and the earth are His. All are subservient unto Him. The originator of the heavens and the earth! When He decrees a thing, He says unto it only: Be! and it is” (2:116-117). http://www.prophetmuhammed.org/Default.asp Liberate starts here: Liberate, for the love of God, read the links I'm posting so you can get those questions ANSWERED: http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith/Ulum/ http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Hadith ... ences.html "Who started the chain of transmission and science of hadith?" Bro, just read the above two links and you'll know everything you ever wanted to know about hadith and how the classification uses the most rigorous test of authenticity available. Compare how the Bible was transmitted to how the weakest of hadiths is authenticated and you decide who better preserved the Message. Bring these hadiths and let's examine their authenticity then. Yes, the theology of Islam is very simple, but when we get into some matters of jurisprudence and determining what is forbidden or permitted, it requires someone with an EXTENSIVE knowledge of the Qur'an and hadith. Not someone who just flips open a book and finds one hadith to back their points. There are exceptions, there are central rules that stand for related matters, there are SO MANY things to take into account in jurisprudential matters. Things like "is my ablution gone if I do this, or if this happened" Please read the links they are great. Learn about Islam from the inside, not from the outside. When several scholars come into conflict they do something called "Ijtihad" where they have to extend their deductive abilities to find central roots in a verse or hadith about the nature of why something should be permitted or forbidden. That's where you get your four sunni schools of thought. It doesn't matter which one you follow since they're very similar and have all reached their verdicts using "ijtihad". A sunni school of thought is called a madhab. http://homepage.ntlworld.com/masud/ISLA ... adhhab.htm http://homepage.ntlworld.com/masud/ISLA ... abstlk.htm and this is why it's important to rely on people with more knowledge than you, http://homepage.ntlworld.com/masud/ISLAM/nuh/studyh.htm What did you want to know here? Ok sure, but I prefer to do both. And listen bro, PLEASE don’t think that just because some Christian site has a "rebuttal" to a Muslim site that the matter is settled and the two opinions knock each other out. PLEASE read the links I post because they are reliable, and actually, they are arranged to clear the misconceptions of the Christian rebuttals, there's often no need to rebut the Christian allegations because so often they're based on such faulty premises, a poor understanding of classical Arabic. Did you seriously read all the links I posted? Be honest. For the same reason that Moses (pbuh) didn't practice the same "laws" as Noah or Abraham (but instead had many more). Muhammad (pbuh) came with the final sets of guidelines for mankind. In fact, how dissimilar do you think Muslim worship is from the original Mosaic laws. Do you think there's any contradictions, or just additional acts of worship? Read the book I suggested as well as the story of the early Muslim dealings with the Christians in Arabia. They ALL accepted Islam almost immediately because they realized how closely it fit with Jesus (pbuh) true teachings, which they had guarded. Bro that's not true. I'm not talking about the Unitarians of today, whatever they believe, but the EARLY Unitarians, the true followers of Jesus (pbuh), not those that call themselves Unitarians today. Please read my book to find out more, there's several chapters about the Unitarians with sources. Christendome had always been divided on the issue of the divinity of Jesus (pbuh) and this was represented by the Trinitarian and Unitarian movements. The Trinitarians were concentrated in the areas of Europe and the Northern M.E. while the Unitarians were in Northern Africa and Southern and Central M.E. Christian history is rife with their debates and the Trinitarian executions of "heretic" Unitarians for denying the divinity of Christ. Of course, all you would hear is that a group of "heretic" Christians were rightfully being executed. Anyway, the Unitarians continued to be a dominant group in Christianity even through the Council of Nicaea but later began to be smothered militarily and had to worship less overtly. This was the case up until the revelation of the Qur'an. There's like 200 pages about all this in the book. I really think you should get it because one paragraph won't teach you enough. Actually I've heard the rationale. I just don't agree that Jesus (pbuh) ever abrogated the Mosaic Laws as he himself lived by them and told his followers to retain them. Ok please repost your question in your next post. Sorry about that. Bro please read my links. They're so long, do you think I could summarize them adequately in a post? Also, as I said, read my links, THEN read your rebuttals, then decide for yourself. Don't falsely comfort yourself by saying "well 'my team' rebutted them so we're safe". Also, one of the links I posted is a rebuttal to a rebuttal. They are worth reading if you sincerely want to learn instead of just being misguided by people you think are trying to help you. I told you, I'm not going to claim it's a false hadith just because I'm not sure about it, nor will I attempt to attest to its pure biological accuracy if I'm not sure that's what the Prophet meant by it. All I can tell you is that the discovery of those antibodies in the wing pouches is very impressive, since the hadith refers to dipping the other wing of the fly should the first touch food, or something like that. 'one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease" this sounds very figurative to me, and many of the hadiths regarding prophecies were figurative. Well if you want to live your life by what could have been done, I don't suggest it, but you can go ahead. That's just like saying Jesus (pbuh) plagiarized Moses. It's a good website, man. And which hadith are you talking about? Bring it here so we can look at its authenticity. With all that Islam has brought and how it contradicts Judaism and Christianity on central points and even prophetic stories, you still think Islam is just a copy? People never seem to make up their mind. Read this, this is great: http://www.ymofmd.com/books/prophethood ... _chang.htm I don't first need to the archeological evidence to know that the previous scriptures were distorted, I believe that to be true because God revealed that in the Qur'an. If you want to understand Islam you have to first research how miraculous the Qur'an is. This is key. Otherwise you will always think that Islam is just like any other religion or that it doesn't bring proof that it was divinely revealed. I'm telling you, learn about the Qur'an. http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Quran/ But if you want some historical accounts of corruptions to ease your mind and give you a solid idea of how the scenario took place, read the book I was suggesting. Probably to note how different some of the stories are. Just look at the story of Abraham and the sacrifice of Ishmael for example. For example, scroll down to the Muslim version of the story of Abraham: http://www.al-sunnah.com/muhammad_in_the_bible.htm http://www.mostmerciful.com/deception.htm Ever wonder how a story revealed in the Qur'an is more accurate than the Judaic version? My first question was going to be, where did you read that, but that's not as important as this one: Liberate, if you believe in God, which of His commands would you NOT obeyed should He command them of you? If you don't believe in God, or that God sent a Messenger, you subsequently won't believe anything that the Messenger was commanded to do was from God. It's like a vicious cycle. Just explain to me one thing. How do you know this is what the Creator said? What proof do you have that God Almighty said this? On what do you base this belief? True Not true. No Messenger or Prophet of God will enter the Hell fire. Peace bro, By the way, Liberate, I distinguish you among the other Christians in this forum. I just feel that you think more critically than anyone else and that you should pursue this. May God Guide you. |
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