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Proverbs 12: 16 "A fool shows his annoyance at once, but a prudent man overlooks an insult." Still, you're only escaping by trying to make it seem as if I'm angry but in fact you are the one that is angry You don't even greet me anymore like you used to and in order to know that it is not factual and just fiction is to read the entire bible from end to end and not depend upon sites that will "sway" your brain into thinking one thing or the other. Volume:1 Book :4 Number :162 Top Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Whoever performs ablution should clean his nose with water by putting the water in it and then blowing it out, and whoever cleans his private parts with stones should do it with odd number of stones." You also have to take into consideration if he was really unlettered to begin with A merchant is unlettered????? What about the stories about him buying the scriptures from the jews back in his time? Why did he need to "buy" scriptures when the angel gabriel was supposed to give him the true scripture of God? No. 65 - Narrated Anas bin Malik: Once the Prophet wrote a letter or had an idea of writing a letter. The Prophet was told that they (rulers) would not read letters unless they were sealed. So the Prophet got a silver ring made with "Muhammad Allah's Apostle" engraved on it. As if I were just observing its white glitter in the hand of the Prophet No. 4214 - Narrated 'Aisha: When the last Verses of Surat-al-Baqara were revealed, the Prophet read them in the Mosque and prohibited the trade of alcoholic liquors. "If the debtor is in difficulty, grant him time till it is easy for him to repay.." (2.280) Narrated 'Aisha: When the last Verses of Surat-al-Baqara were revealed, Allah's Apostle stood up and recited them before us and then prohibited the trade of alcoholic liquors. So much for the unlettered prophet. I got this from someone else "Sura 2 41 YUSUFALI: And believe in what I reveal, confirming the revelation which is with you, and be not the first to reject Faith therein, nor sell My Signs for a small price; and fear Me, and Me alone. PICKTHAL: And believe in that which I reveal, confirming that which ye possess already (of the Scripture), and be not first to disbelieve therein, and part not with My revelations for a trifling price, and keep your duty unto Me. SHAKIR: And believe in what I have revealed, verifying that which is with you, and be not the first to deny it, neither take a mean price in exchange for My communications; and Me, Me alone should you fear. What exactly would allah mean by saying nor sell my signs for a small price, what signs? what price? notice Yusuf Ali says "nor sell my signs for a small price" while Shakir says "neither take a mean price in exchange" last I read mean and small are opposites what exactly where Shakir and Yusuf Ali reading to get the implications so contradictory?" Oh..ok Narrated 'Abdullah bin 'Umar: I heard the Prophet saying. "Evil omen is in three things: The horse, the woman and the house." Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 52, Number 110 So the religion that states that women are considered "equal" are also considered "evil omen" too? LOL why can't it be found in men too since this is supposed to be a religion of equality? LOL Sorry...couldn't help it.. LOL . Oh I forgot to list the part that says that women are less intelligent than men as well. Are you sure a real prophet would say such things? I think Dr. Rice would disagree with such statements. What about those 25 prophets? I'll concentrate on only one. King David was not a prophet. He was a king selected by God to rule over the tribes of Israel, yet Mohammed put him as a prophet. But then again, he is illiterate and not well knowledgable..we have to forgive him of his shortcomings. All disproved but I will focus on one: The source of milk Verily in cattle, there is lesson for you. We give you to drink of what is inside their bellies coming from a conjunction between the contents of the intestine and blood, a milk, pure and pleasant for those who drink it.(16:66) what type of miracle is this? Anyone could deduce that they can get milk from a cow or a goat as a matter of fact. Actually if you really want to press it, you can get milk from any female species [humans too] if they are lactating. You don't need to be a rocket scientist for that. Also for the blood and guts, well you have to eat it right? I'm sure they didn't have slaughter houses at that time. I'm sure Mohammed and his uncle ripped up a few animals in their time. ok let me be fair and give a harder one: 'It is He (Allah) Who has let loose the two bodies of flowing waters, one palatable and sweet, and the other saltish and bitter; yet He has made a barrier between them, and this is an insurmountable barrier.' (25:53) Science has already shown that there is no such barrier. Actually you don't even need science for this. Just go to the rivers and see for yourself. You mean like how muslims try to do this with the Bible? and what makes you think it wasn't corrupted in the beginning with its founder and his followers?? It's funny how most people can't even memorize a sentence much along an entire book. I wonder why this was done? A lie on top of a lie on top of another lie starts to make sense and become truth? I don't think so. Hey bro, I’m not mad at you. I only ask that we stay respectful towards each other otherwise people will take a look at someone’s arrogance and they will be pushed away from faith by representative members of that faith. Remember that this is a public forum and it’s seen by thousands of people. Do you really want to be identified as “the Christian who insulted everyone”? That in itself can be more hurtful to your cause and no amount of links or text can make up for that. Anyway, I’m surprised you haven’t heard of Barnabas, my book has a chapter on him but here’s a summary: http://www.understanding-islam.org/rela ... le&raid=26[/quote] Proverbs 10:18 "He who conceals his hatred has lying lips, and whoever spreads slander is a fool." I don't see how I'm being insulting to you. I'm only picking your argument apart, that's all. I don't recall saying bad names to you neither since that's not in my diction these days. Is that insulting to you? Then you shouldn't be in the debate threads. Anyway if you felt that I was insulting to you, I'm sorry. This is not my intention. I don't think you understand me, that's probably why you thought I was angry with you. As far as this barnabas, according to this site, he's named Joseph Barnabas. That wasn't his name. His original name was JOSEPH and then after a good deed he was named BARNABAS. That's misrepresentation on the part of that site and is misleading. Let's enter the story room, shall we? There was this guy named Dan who dated this girl name Kelly. Kelly really loved Dan and started to call him sweet dan. Everyone started calling him this and he really started liking the name so he accepted it. They dated for a while but then got into an agrument and broke up. Sweet Dan started hating to be called that now since it would always remind him of his x-girlfriend. He wanted everyone to call him Dan again and not Sweet Dan since his love now turned into hate and frustration about breaking up with Kelly. You're still missing the point because you are only looking for something to defend your quran. However by wishing to use something that also contradicts your own "holy book" makes it seem as if you're reaching for expectations that you will never receive since your book was false to begin with. Let's go back and read my story again. Simple logic will tell you. Now ask yourself this question: If Barnabas didn't agree with Paul so much as he had claimed in that book, why did he not change his name back to what it was originally since it was Paul and his people that named him? Obviously if he wanted to undermine Paul so much and didn't like him since they had that "argument" in the bible, why did he intend to keep on using his name Banabas and not Joseph? And don't you think you should be doing the same thing as well? If you want me to question and look at gob, why not look at the epistil of Barnabas? Why is it that it's so much different from the gob? And also did you read up on the authenticity of this work? Why is it that it seems to quote some of the people from the Middle ages and have alot of knowledge about the middle ages and not the times they are supposed to be talking about [the time of Jesus]? Proverbs 1: 5 "Let the wise listen and add to their learning, and let the discerning get guidance." There is nothing wrong in trying to question your faith. Actually I do thank you very much for helping me to understand not only my faith but yours as well. However, there is such a thing as the spiritual realm which most have not come in contact with and that's the spirit of God. Until you really get to know Him, you will never understand His true word. That's the only answer I can honestly give you. Proverbs 9:9 "Instruct a wise man and he will be wiser still; teach a righteous man and he will add to his learning." I can't explain the relationship with God I have to you because you may not believe me or you may laugh at me and think that I'm just a brainwashed kid. I can't tell you about the miracles He's done for me and my family because you [or maybe someone else] may say, well it's not Him who had the miracles done but you yourself. Proverbs 13:20 "He who walks with the wise grows wise, but a companion of fools suffers harm." I've escaped death [due to unexplained circumstances or just my own downfalls and misgivings] many times due to my faith and my trust in my God. My parents have stuggled to raise me and our family. Many times there was not one soul to help us out of our problems, but my parents trusted upon the Lord and that's all we needed. I can't explain how we got the resources we needed, but I know it was through HIM and for that I thank Him graciously and forever. It's only huge and important if you are misguided and do not understand the true message God is trying to instill into you. This brings me to another story It's really a cartoon actually. It was set back in the time just before the French revolution. This woman found a blind girl that looked exactly like the queen of France. The community was getting fed up of the royalists because they didn't care about the lower class. Anyway, this woman devised a plan to make it seem as if the queen was having an affair on her husband. It was true that the queen was distraught with her relationship with her husband, but she wasn't having an affair. It's true that she did meet a man once in a while in private, but according to the story, she was accompanied by a loyal guard. Anyway they made the blind girl get caught with the same man and she kissed him. He gave her jewels and asked for her to help him overthrow his own government [can't remember where]. He was happy when she said yes because for years she's been telling him no. When they got caught, they found out that it was all a hoax and the lady who planned the coup against the queen cried out to the public that it was true that the queen was giving money to this man. The tax payer's money and having an affair on the king. Oh I forgot to mention that this woman was the mistress of the old king [young king's father] and was kicked out of the palace because the now queen didn't like her. LOL Anyway, this caused the revolt and the king and queen were put to death and France went into a revolution. Alot of innocent people were put to death- the king, his kids and the queen. How did the truth come out? Well it was just a story. Why pay for things like this when you can get it for free online? The difference between me and Believer is that I've been where you've been already. I was a cultist [well not very long] and I have been out of faith with God for a time being [well questioning and searching]. I was brainwashed into fear and acceptance. I questioned whether or not Jesus was really the Son of God and things like that. It's only human, especially when you are not filled with the spirit. Even his own disciple still couldn't believe with his own eyes so what can one say about us thousands of years later? My alternative to you is to read the entire bible. Not only that, read all of the "lost books" of the bible, the fakes [including gop] AND the Catholic Bible. Go to the Pagan sites and the Humanist sites and read what they have to say about religion all together and then you can come back to me and try to sell me a $7.50 book which is probably a waste of time since it will not even make me think twice about my faith in our Lord Jesus Christ. I've been there and have done that already and it's nothing new. It's just the devil's ploy to bring me away from my father and right now I feel just too good and safe with Him to ever want to leave Him again ever. John 14:6 Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one can come to the Father except through me. 7 If you had known who I am, then you would have known who my Father is. From now on you know him and have seen him!" Peace my friend. |
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