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This is based on altering God's truth. Catholic teachings on are based on Greek gnosis (wisdom) and logic. If through Adam all sin and through Christ all are made alive; then logically it follows that Eve, who was created sinless and is the mother of all who sin then Mary who was born of an “immaculate conception” (sinless) is the mother of all living. The Bible does not teach this. It is a “tradition” of men found in Gnostic thought not Biblical truth.
The RCC teaches the woman in Revelation 12 is Mary and that the RCC replaces Israel and the Jews as God's chosen people, although they don't state it this plainly.
In your opinion the Catholic church is based on wisdom and logic, so thats all the Bible is then? wisdom and logic! Because Catholicism is based upon the Bible.
What you left out traditions!
The tradition of the immaculate conception is a apostolic tradition nothing to do with Gnostic teachings.
"The most blessed Virgin Mary was from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ. Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin because she was to be the spotless "ark" of God himself."
This is not Biblical and nothing more than Gnostic beliefs imported into Christianity. I have read the "traditions" for myself and none of them can be established as historical.
Let’s take the second citation first. Mary, too, required a Savior. Like all other descendants of Adam, she was subject to the necessity of contracting original sin. But by a special intervention of God, undertaken at the instant she was conceived, she was preserved from the stain of original sin and its consequences. She was therefore redeemed by the grace of Christ, but in a special way—by anticipation.
And the consequence of original sin is death, Mary had no original sin this is where the assumption steps in, simply step by step logic.
More Gnostic philosophy. If this "tradition" is true it would be to significant to be omitted from the Gospels, especially Lukes, and the epistles. There is nothing of any real substance to establish these concepts except Greek philosophy and pagan mythology.
What does the Bible teach about those who believe in and are saved by Jesus?
Gal 3:29
29 And if you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's offspring, heirs according to promise. NAS
This alone disproves what the RCC teaches about Mary being the mother of the faithful. If Mary was so important that the apostles passed on verbal traditions this contradicts those traditions. Based on what the NT teaches about Abraham, Sarah is a better candidate for an immaculate conception and the assumption.