ArchivedSalvation in IslamThat means you are not following the islamic dress code but rather being the WESTERNER moderate muslim! Sorry you are mistaken. I could have made it personal after seeing your rather funny website but that is why I exposed it on this forum. People gotta know who they are talking to. I don't have a tiny thought or attention on standard of "muslim" You can't be a muslim, going "a" way or "b" way or "c" way, you talk about hadith all the time, you are showing us muslim qualities which we know that don't go hand in hand with the teachings, plus you have your own opinions (!) That is what Muhammad had, too, that is how the hadith was written. All your actions are telling many people here that you are a muslim because you need to show if off. Sorry it may not be the reason but that is your attitude.
Where did I claim this? Non-Christians can study the Bible but then they know what they talk about. You don't know what you talk about, when you talk about the Bible bud. Simple as that. Furthermore, there is a spiritual aspect where you are actually filled with Spirit and God reveals Himself and the knowledge of Scripture to the Christian who accepted Him in his heart, in his soul, in his mind. You can't understand Trinity, therefore Christianity is wrong, but I do understand Him, what do we do? Who is wrong? You just said it yourself, Christians... Why would Christians study the Quran? Why would you study the Bible when you were 11 or what was it 15? Christian means Messiah Follower, that is a very important term. We have millions of fake ones around, sorry... You should set an example, enough said. You are a human being representing your religion. You will see how it will make a difference when you grow up. I ask this particular question to any muslim and all I got is "ugk... gugk... hmmm ... " It is not a personal question it is a general question, YOU being the muslim, representing islam here, aren't you? So you do things for Allah, what does he do for you in return?
can you tell me where it says that all sunday school teachers are supposed to go over every denomination of Christianity in detail and other religions? Suggestion that your sunday school teacher didn't go thru denominations. She didnt give you the necessary information. You just sound like that. Sometimes on the net, things may be understood the way you don't them to be. Also blaming doesn't mean you call people names. They don't have to teach you certain things, (like they dont' teach apologetics) it is YOU who is doing the study. If you don't know what mormons are it is noone's fault. These are chain studies, they are connected, sorry. Studying only Bible resembles being a doctor but having no area of specialty. Sorry, your web page is a JOKE! I have no idea who you talked to, I have no information to verify your story. Where in the Bible do you see Adam had many wives? You confused him someone else! http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/adam_gen/adam.html Sorry bud, you are not reading Quran, you are reading the Bible. Your response is in Matthew 19:3-8 read it again. Some additional verses to help ya; It is a trustworthy statement: if any man aspires to the office of overseer, it is a fine work he desires {to do.}An overseer, then, must be above reproach, the husband of one wife, temperate, prudent, respectable, hospitable, able to teach, not addicted to wine or pugnacious, but gentle, peaceable, free from the love of money. 1 Timothy 3:1-3 For this reason I left you in Crete, that you would set in order what remains and appoint elders in every city as I directed you, {namely,} if any man is above reproach, the husband of one wife, having children who believe, not accused of dissipation or rebellion. Titus 1:5-6 There is only a recommendation is your are poor and you can't support them. Now say you are making enogh money, are you going to take more than one wife and make Allah happy, or break the US law and go to jail? Not aid but have relations to other tribes so he could spread islam, that is an AGENDA for ya right there. No tribe needed any aid in that time, why do you miss that? Did you also consider the fact Muhammad was a horny man? Many women even shunned him. As a matter of fact every time he came to Juavaria, his gorgeous captured-women-turned-wife for a quickie, she would stand up and start praying namaz to avoid him (she was known to pray for hours until horny Muhammad had to go next door to another wife to fulfill his desire). Once he proposed to have sex with a noble woman, she refused and prayed for protection from Allah, how insulting for an apostle? Many of his marriages could not be consummated, why do you think? Why? Because it stands as a monument of islam's violence? Oh yes it does, it does CONFIRM the history of battles I have listed here but you must have missed them. Yes, with psychological pressure, threats, warnings, show of force, etc... The very same thing that letter does. Did Muhammad utilize Sun Tzu's art of war? He lived between 400-320 B.C. I am an ottoman descendent, a turk. Don't tell me how ottoman spread, I have spent my HS years studying their history. Where are they today? Why do you think ottoman didn't force the religion? Because according to islamic teachings, they had the right to get TAX from those people, it helped country's poor economy greatly! But yes, where are the today? Did you study the reasons they came down crushing? Looking from the islamic window again! God is humble, He didn't have to tell anyone He was God, we are not talking about Muhammad here who bragged about this apostleship. God is humble, he showed he was God. And he never turned down those who called him My Lord, My God. What does Immanuel mean again? You started running in circles again. No I meant your spiritual works. Until the last moment, Thomas didn't believe he was God, until he touched Him. There is a great story right there! Also Hebrews 11:1 talks about this. Alpha explained you this question TOO, but you refuse to see it and continue to run in circles. Fine, stick with your Quran. Jesus didn't need to say "I am God" Lunatics say that. Although, he didn't say otherwise. I have replied to your "if Jesus was GOD" from Osama but you probably didn't even read it. I don't see no responses to those ... Sorry, I am not a muslim, I don't dig traps as in Quran surah 9. Son of Man was a mediator, That DOES NOT mean he was not God. No islamic windows here. Jesus is certainly the only Mediator in the sense that he his the only God-man, the only Person who serves as a bridge between the human and the divine in that way, as 1 Timothy 2:5 indicates. " For there is one God and one Mediator between God and men, the Man Christ Jesus-."1 Timothy 2:5 Mediator is translated from the Greek, " mesites," which means a go between, intercessor, a reconciler, a mediator. Basically, one who intervenes between two parties. To be effective, a mediator must understand both sides that he is intervening between. Only Jesus, God Incarnate, who also was the Man, Jesus the Christ, is capable of acting as a mediator between Divine nature and human nature. Only Jesus has the ability to reconcile man to God. Only Jesus can act as the intercessor between man & God. No one else is capable to fulfill, or aid in the fulfillment, of the responsibilities of the Office of Mediator. Praying to Jesus is scriptural, and There are three ways to establish Bible authority: (Command, example and inference.) 1. We are commanded to pray to Jesus: Jn 14:14; James 1:1-7; 1 Cor 1:2; Eph 5:19; Acts 8:22 2. We have apostolic examples of praying to Jesus: Rev 22:20, 2 Cor 12:7-9, Acts 7:54-60; Acts 8:24 3. We have necessary inferences of pray to Jesus: 1 Jn 5:11-15, Acts 1:24; Heb 7:25 Jesus is God, so we can pray to God the son, and God the Father. Paul wrote of Jesus that "by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him" (Col 1:16). When we address "Jehovah" or "God" in prayer, does that not automatically include all three members of the Godhead? IT DOES. Obviously we can pray to the Holy Spirit as well! We pray only to God! The Holy Spirit is God! 3rd century Arian’s said that we cannot pray to Jesus because He is not God. That is why councils were established and scripture was canonized to document the teachings of Jesus. No it has been explained to you but you are in STILL IN DENIAL. Deuteronomy 18:15,18 is probably the passage in the Bible which is most often by Muslims thought to be a prophecy about Muhammad. Let's look at this verse very carefully. In verse 15 Moses is speaking, in verse 18 the Lord himself is speaking through Moses. 15 The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet like me from among your own brothers. You must listen to him. ... 18 I will raise up for them a prophet like you from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. It is urged (by Muslims) that the promised prophet was not to rise among the Israelites but among their "brothers" the Ishmaelites (compare Genesis 25:9,18); that no such prophet did rise among the Israelites (Deut. 34:10); that Muhammad was like Moses in many points, e.g., both were brought up in their enemies' houses, appeared among idolaters, were at first rejected by their own people and afterwards accepted by them, each gave a law, fled from their enemies (Moses to Midian, Muhammad to Medinah, a name of a similar meaning), marched to battle against their enemies, wrought miracles, and enabled their followers after their own decease to conquer Palestine. In reply it may be said that Deut. 34:10 refers only to the time at which it was written, and the word "since" may be said to imply the expectation, that such a prophet would arise "in Israel", not outside. The words "from the midst of thee" are almost certainly genuine, though even without them the meaning is clear. It is true that Ishmael was Isaac's half-brother: but, if the Ishmaelites may be called the brethren of Israel, assuredly, the Israelite tribes may more correctly be called one another's brethren. (Compare, Surah 7:83, "their brother Shu'aib.") Israelites are called one another's brethren in this very book of Deuteronomy, e.g., in chapters 3:18; 15:7; 17:15; 24:14. In ch. 17:15 we have an exactly parallel passage in reference to the appointment of a king: "one from among thy brethren shalt thou set king over thee. "Most, if not all, the kingdoms of Europe are ruled by kings who belong to families which are or were originally foreig;: but in all history we never hear of the Israelites appointing over themselves a foreigner as king. They should have gone to the Ishmaelites for their kings, if the Muslim explanation of "from among their brethren" in Deut. 18:18 is correct. They did not do so, because they understood their own language. Who at the present day among Muslims, if told to summon one of his "brethren" to receive some important post, would conclude that members of his own family were excluded, and that he must find a man whose ancestors had, hundreds of years before, been kindred to his own? Moreover, the Taurat clearly says that no prophet was to be expected from Ishmael, for God's covenant was made with Isaac, not with him (Gen. 17:18-21; 21:10-12). The Qur'an also in several places speaks of the prophetic office as having been entrusted to Isaac's seed (Surah 29:27; Surah 45:15). The promised prophet was to be sent unto Israel: but Muhammad professed to be sent to the Arabs among whom he was born. As for a likeness to Moses, we learn from Deut. 34:10-12, that the two points in which the Israelites expected the coming prophet to resemble Moses were: (I) personal knowledge of God, and (2) mighty works. As regards the former, is there not a tradition that Muhammad said, "We have not known Thee in the truth of Thy knowledge (or 'as Thou shouldest be known')"? With reference to mighty works,[2] the Qur'an tells us that Muhammad was not[3] given the power of working miracles (Surah 17:61: see Baidawi's and Abbasi's commentaries: Surahs 2:112; 6:37,57,109; 7:202; 10:21; 13:8,30; 29:49,50). The points of resemblance between Moses and Muhammad which Muslims adduce might be found in Musailamah and in Mani for the most part, but do not prove that these men were prophets. Finally, God Himself has explained in the Gospel that this prophecy referred to Christ, not to Muhammad (compare Deut. 18:15,19, "Unto Him ye shall hearken," etc., with Matt. 17:5; see also Mark 9:2, and Luke 9:35). Jesus explains that this and other passages in the Taurat refer to Himself (John 5:46: see Gen. 12:3; 26:4; 18:18; 22:18; 28:14). He was descended from Judah (Matt. 1:1-16; Luke 3:23-38; Heb. 7:14), was born in Israel, and spent almost all His life among the Jews, and sent His disciples in the first place to the latter (Matt. 10:6) and only secondly to the Gentiles (Luke 24:47; Matt. 28:18-20). In Acts 3:25,26, the prophecy we are considering is definitely referred to Christ. There are a number of ways in which Moses was like Jesus, but unlike Muhammad: 1. Moses had no known tomb, but died on Mount Nebo (Deut. 34:6). 2. Moses came out of Egypt at the Exodus, and Jesus went to Egypt as a baby and returned. 3. Moses was brought up by his mother as a nurse in Pharaoh's household, and Jesus was brought up by Mary, but Muhammad was an orphan. Moses was saved as a baby in the rushes; Jesus was saved when God told Joseph to take him to Egypt. 4. Moses was transfigured on Mt. Sinai (Exodus 34:29) and Jesus was transfigured in Matthew 17:1-6. 5. Moses offered to take the sins of Israel on himself in Exodus 32:30-32; Jesus was sacrificed for the sins of mankind. Even at this level of argument there are more points of similarity between Jesus and Moses than there are between Muhammad and Moses. Not only that, but some of the points where Jesus seems to be different from Moses only appear because the Moslems have not considered the whole of the life of Jesus. For example, Jesus was rejected by his people and has not been accepted by them yet. But the time will come when they will look on him whom they have pierced (Zech. 12:10) and God will cleanse them (Ezek. 36:26-31). Similarly, Jesus will become a national leader and will encounter his enemies in battle (Zech. 14:3). In Deuteronomy 18:18 God tells Moses to inform Israel that the prophet was to be from among their brethren, which means that he would have to be an Israelite. Moslems who dispute this assert that, as the Arabs are the brothers of the Jews, this refers to an Arab. However, there is no scriptural evidence to support this. The Arabs are never called the brethren of the Jews in the Bible. There are a few verses where Edom is described as the brother (singular) of Israel (e.g. Num. 20:14; Deut. 23:7; Amos 1:11), but the word brethren (plural) is never used. In any case, Muhammad is not a descendent of Edom (who joined the Jews in the second century BC), but of Ishmael, who is never referred to as the brother of Israel. The passage can only mean that the prophet like unto Moses was to be an Israelite. To list the similarities and differences between Jesus, Muhammad and Moses is a rather inconclusive and man-made way of looking at Deuteronomy 18. Rather than humans making lists of ways that Muhammad is, or is not, like Moses, it is better to let the passage itself say in what way the prophet will be like Moses. This is given us in the next two verses: "And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken? When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him." (Deut. 18:21-22) The prophet would validate his message by some sign, either a miracle or a prediction of the future which he would predict or announce and which would then be fulfilled. There is no doubt that Jesus worked miracles; even the Qur'an admits this (e.g. Q 5:115). However, Muhammad never performed a miracle and the set of predictions claimed for him is singularly unimpressive (he is said to have predicted that his followers would win the battle of Badr - probably a method of encouraging them to fight more fiercely, and self fulfilling as one would never of heard of the prediction if the battle had been lost). The lack of signs from Muhammad is also commented upon in the Qur'an with words like: "They say: Why not a sign sent down to him from his Lord?" (Q 10:20; see also Q 6:109; Q 13:7; Q 17:59; Q 21:5,6). There is only one reason that the Qur'an would record passages like these, and that is because Muhammad never gave a prophecy or performed a miracle. Moslems cannot have things both ways. Either the passage in Deuteronomy 18 is from God, in which case they must believe it and reject Muhammad because he does not fulfill scripture, or it is not from God, in which case they cannot claim it as a prediction of Muhammad. Deuteronomy 18:18 is cited in Acts 3:22. Here the apostle Peter, speaking words from God through the Holy Spirit, identifies the prophet like Moses as being Jesus Christ and not Muhammad. Has been responded, refuted! What are you even saying kiddo? Don't make me feel you are desperate you refer to these nonsense rhetorics. Yes my sins are paid in full, I only believe in Him who did this for me. There is no boasting here, God's gift is given by GOD not me!
You like MetallicA? Doesn't matter but anyways listen to their new song, Dirty Window, replace the where he says "dirty window" with "islamic window". I am a child of God yes but I am not the Messiah, the SON OF GOD, in the sense Jesus used for himself! Jesus was also SON OF MAN, read John 1:1-5. Therefore we saw him, He gave us prophecies and He taught us about God, when man had no idea what God might be like, therefore he fits in the description of Prophet. Noone calls him as the prophet though. We accept his prophetic duty but we call him the Messiah. Islamic reasoning fails sorry. You can't go interpret Christ without knowing the Scripture which you don't, and using islamic reasoning and logic. It doesn't explain anything, anything at all. I am forgiving, merciful, does that mean for sure that I WILL forgive you? NADA! You are not even half muslim as I was. You take everything at the face value, literally. Do you deserve to go to hell? Tell me. Is that one of your opinions? Because then eveyone would become muslims and ask forgiveness at the last moment, noone goes to hell. If I say no, will you explain it to me here? I only consider one person as authentic, that is it. But yes I am waiting for you to explain us this system. 5 Times? Can you tell me the need for that please? Even the moment I am typing these to you, I am with God, God is in my heart, in my soul, in my mind. What is the purpose of praying 5 times? Clear that first. We give offering every sunday, although charity doesn't mean give MONEY. My personal assistance and ministry to international students when they study the bible is more than enough as a charity, but it doesn't end there. Good luck with that. Although where is love in a master-slave relationship? Do you know if Allah loves you? Theological authorities demand that six conditions be fulfilled before any supposed revelation can be accepted as true revelation. (1) It must satisfy the yearning of the human spirit to obtain eternal happiness. (2) It must coincide with the conscience, which is the moral law written in man's mind. (3) It must reveal God's true attributes. (4) It must confirm man's reasoning that God is one. (5) It must make very plain the way of salvation. (6) It must reveal God Himself in books, through prophets, and in person. Neither Muhammad nor the Quran fulfills all of these six requirements. The Quran only fulfills the fourth criterion. The other five are missing. Sorry Quran is a generic 635 AD document which great adopts stuff happened around Muhammad. It is a book that is supposedly Word of God but has nothing in it regards to end times prophecies, Muhammad's (allah's apostle's) miracles??? Kiddo don't fool yourself... How does fasting remind you of God? Did you even read what I wrote about Christian fasting? Sabeans were also fasting in the pre-islamic era. It is noteworthy that just as Muhammad incorporated the pagan veneration of the Kaba and black stone into Islam, so he incorporated the Sabean times of prayer, Eid, and fasting into Islam. Look into pre-islamic era, you will see them being practiced. Nonsense! There is nothing in history early Christians doing that! Sorry, I don't take these claims without any support serious. Did you care to think why was he anointed and not muhammad? What was the reason Jesus was anointed? I didn't ask you the literal meaning of Christ. I asked you the meaning behind the Christ! We celebrate Christ, date has no bearing on what day we do this, you keep parroting what you believe, although turn to your own religion and research your own pagan roots. Sorry history doesn't agree with Muhammad's conjectures of Abraham going to Mecca and building that shrine with Ishmael. Let alone Abraham had nothing to do with the house of Allah, it was full of pagan idols. It was never rebuilt it was always there, Muhammad came in, broke the idols, told 'em to believe the unseen one. 593 names of Christ: http://www.biblebelievers.com/harmon14.html Here is thereal shock for you. Among Jews there suddenly turns up a man who goes about talking as if He was God. He claims to forgive sins. He says He has always existed. He says He is coming to judge the world at the end of time. Now let us get this clear. Among Pantheists, like the Indians, anyone might say that he was a part of God, or one with God: there would be nothing very odd about. But this man, since He was a Jew, could not mean that kind of God. God, in their language, meant the Being outside the world Who had made it and was infinitely different from anything else. And when you have grasped that, you will see that what this man said was, quite simply, the most shocking thing that has ever been uttered by human lips. Now unless the speaker is God, this is really so preposterous as to be comic. We can all understand how a man forgives offences against Himself. You tread on my toe and I forgive you, you steal my money and I forgive you. But what should we make of a man, Himself unrobbed and untrodden on, who announced that he forgave you for treading on other men's toes and stealing other men's money? Asinine fatuity is the kindest description we should give of his conduct. Yet this is what Jesus did. He told people that their sins were forgiven, and never waited to consult all the other people whom their sins had undoubtedly injured. He unhesitatingly behaved as if He was the party chiefly concerned, the person chiefly offended in all offences. This makes sense only if He really was the God whose laws are broken and whose love is wounded in every sin. In the mouth of any speaker who is not God, these words would imply what I can only regard as a silliness and conceit unrivalled by any other character in history. Yet (and this is the strange, significant thing) even His enemies, when they read the Gospels, do not usually get the impression of silliness and conceit. Still less do unprejudiced readers. Christ says that He is "humble and meek" and we believe Him; not noticing that, if He were merely a man, humility and meekness are the very last characteristics we could attribute to some of His sayings. Quranic support for this claim please! You don't want to go to hell, but you don't know where you are going, how just is it when you are told you are going to hell? You are recruited because you are going to be used for islam and its purposes. Islam being a socio-political religion since its inception, will give you false hopes but no guarantees or a relationship with your creator. You are only one in that mass, who is following blindly without a hope of salvation. You yourself said, Allah knows best, I do my best but I may end up in hell! US is fighting muslims right now, at 2 fronts. Where is your allegiance now? What if one of your brothers tell you let's go to Afghanistan and fight against the great Satan America? Read the hadith about it! What are you going to say? You are not only recruited but you are also duped! Jesus is not Muhammad. You are talking about Mark 13:32, and Matthew 24:36 in fallacy. Check out the responses I gave to you about Matthew 24:36. I explained this to you, you are still running in circles. When the Son was on earth in the flesh, he voluntarily subjected himself to limitations, among them ignorance of the hour when he would return again to judgment. If he voluntarily knew not, what folly of theologians to fix upon the time. This disclaimer of knowledge naturally interpreted applies to the second coming, not to the destruction of Jerusalem which had been definitely limited to that generation as it happened in a.d. 70. Christ, as the son of man; though he did know it as the Son of God, who knows all things, and so this; but as the son of man, and from his human nature he had no knowledge of any thing future: what knowledge he had of future things in his humanity, he had from his deity; nor, as man, had he any commission to make known, nor did he make known the day of God's vengeance on the Jews. It cannot be denied that in these verses, Jesus plainly says that He did not know the exact timing of His second coming. Why would Christ say this if He truly was equal with His Father? An answer to this can be found in Philippians 2:7, where we find that Jesus "made Himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men." While we cannot be certain about all aspects of this "emptying," it seems clear that Christ intentionally and temporarily laid aside certain elements of His power when He took on human form. We can see this all throughout the Gospels as Christ was constantly depending upon His Father, and yet was doing everything the Father did and in the same manner (e.g., John 5:19 & 30). While this verse teaches the limited knowledge of the Son during His earthly ministry, it does not follow that His knowledge remains limited now. If the Bible taught that Jesus continues to lack knowledge after His resurrection, there might be grounds for concluding that He is not equal to His Father. But this is not the case. In Revelation 22:12-13, we find that the Son apparently does know the hour of His return: "Behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be." Further, Paul teaches us that in Christ are hidden "all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge" (Colossians 2:3). If Christ now has all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge, there is no knowledge that He lacks. The real thrust of this verse, of course, is not to diminish the Son in respect to His Father. In the verse immediately preceding this one, Jesus proclaims that His words will never pass away - placing His authority on equal footing with His Father. The point Jesus is making is the futility of speculating about the Son's return and the coming Kingdom. Ironically, many groups like yours which have used this verse to teach the inferiority of the Son have ignored its fundamental teaching. Don't speculate, but be ready. The Lord of Glory, the storehouse of all wisdom and knowledge, could return at any time! Don't be sorry because you don't know, familiarize yourself with the terms Abraham's Bosom and Hades. Any person who rejects the light they were given and who dies without being saved, their spirit goes to Hades to await the physical resurrection of their bodies and their final judgement before being thrown alive into the lake of fire where they will be in torment for eternity. According to the teaching of Jesus, the New Testament and the rest of the Bible, I can safely say that Muhammad was not a true prophet of God but a false prophet. Because his false teachings lead people away from the truth, many millions of people will not come to the light of God and be saved. Therefore Muhammed was one of the most evil men that has ever lived. Muhammed is, I believe, presently in Hades with Judas and Hitler and the Jewish High Priest Ciaphas, etc. |
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