ArchivedJESUS IS GOD!!!I don't claim I do, you divide him and claim you do. That is how you harmonize your beliefs. Jesus acted exactly like prophets. Other come after him and call him God. Now in order for them to make it work, they say he humbeled himself. It's seriously a long debate man, and I'm only a human, I forget and miss things sometimes. You do the same sometimes. It's still cool though. ALl prophets are the way to God. You can not deny that. Whether they said it or not, you are lost without prophets. If Jesus made that claim, Muhammad and Moses did too, did that make them God? NO. And where did Jesus say that? God call many people his sons, now Jesus come and say I', the only son, simply contradict the first saying. Israel is my first born son. Then Jesus says, I'm the only son. Which one is right? This simply contradicts the saying in one of the letters saying that all judgement is done by God. No mention of Jesus here. See, this is what you don't get. Jesus said that he does nothing of himself, he can not do anything without the father. This indeed does not make him God in anyway. If Jesus is God, then it is like you are saying, that God on earth could not do anything without the help of God? You are dealing with contradictory statements here, and the only way you can harmonize it is by separating God into two, one who is helpless on earth and one who is all powerfull in heavens. You are not making them one but two. Then we are now faced with the dogma that power is given to christ. We are also faced with other dogmas, Jesus saying that He can not judge, another contradictory statement. One last thing, Power is given to Christ, this means that Christ did not have this power and it WAS GIVEN TO HIM. As you claim Jesus us God himself, now I can only wonder, how is it given to God when God in the first place has all the power? As I said before, for someone who is not Jewish like the ghost writer of John, he certainly does not know that Jews always called God their father. And this was backed up by: Jesus answered them, "Is it not written in your law, 'I said, "You are gods"'? This sentence can only show that as he claimed to be god, they are also claimed to be god in the scripture. So Jesus is just defending himself against their accusation. Just like they are called gods he is also called god or son of god. Remember, Israel is god's first born.
Well, if it was allowed to ADD to the word of GOD, what else that we don't know might have been added? You call it textual variances when they are not. They are added to what is supposed to be the original text. When Jesus never said pray in the name of the father, the son, or the holy spirit, and someone add it and claim it as Jesus's word, did they not put words into Jesus's mouth? Yes they did. Reading the statements of Jesus is never the only reason why church believe in his divinity, it is what others said and thought him to be that established the church's dogma whcih they struggled defining it for four centuries. Statements such as : Timothy chapter 4:10 "For God is the savior of everyone, but especially of those who believe" Is considered heresy, but it is still added to your scripture, because it states that we will be saved for GOD is savior. I have shown you that Jesus calling God father is something that was never new to the Jews. I have shown you that Jesus on so many occasions said that can not do anything without his father I have shown you that Jesus said that he can not judge, yet on other passage it says he will, a clear contradiction. You love what other said about Jesus and I have shown you that on so many occasions, so many statements have been added to the gospels, which leave us to the question, what else could be added? Here is what God said about such people you call inspired: Thus says YAHWEH of hosts, the God of Israel, "Add your burnt offerings to your sacrifices and eat flesh. For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings and sacrifices.But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you will be My people; and you will walk in all the way which I command you, that it may be well with you.’ Yet they did not obey or incline their ear, but walked in their own counsels and in the stubbornness of their evil heart, and went backward and not forward." (Jeremiah 7:21) My people do not know The ordinance of YAHWEH. How can you say, ‘We are wise, And the law of YAHWEH is with us’? But behold, the lying pen of the scribes Has made it into a lie. The wise men are put to shame, They are dismayed and caught; Behold, they have rejected the word of YAHWEH, And what kind of wisdom do they have?" (Jeremiah 8:7) But he who kills an ox is like one who slays a man; He who sacrifices a lamb is like the one who breaks a dog’s neck; He who offers a grain offering is like one who offers swine’s blood; He who burns incense is like the one who blesses an idol. These people have chosen their own ways and their souls revel in their abominations." (Isaiah 66:3) And yet, statements from Jesus verifying he is not God do exist in the gospels, he called God "MY GOD" "OUR GOD", and then come someone like St. Paul and lie (that is if he actually wrote them) You find three different stories to him receiving revealation from God, three different stories and none is similar. and Notice, not onething you quoted ever confirmed Jesus's divinity. If I am faced with a prophet, of course he will be the only way to salvation, whether mentioned or not. If I am faced with this prophet, of course he will be my light and lead me to truth. Jesus saying that is not a confirmation of divinity at all. The only way to make it work through your mind is to believe that Jesus (GOD) was helpless on earth, and then we hear him say :I do the works of My Father, notice, not Jesus's works but the father, a clear distinction between them both, and yet you come and say they are one. One who is all powerfull and the other is a helpless god. It would make so much sense if you look at Jesus as a prophet, and think through what the prophets and God, you will see that he is nothing but a human, no divine thing about him at all.Yes Jesus is a great prophet, greater than others. And now you are faced with another delimma, As can see, no burnt offerings were supposed to be imposed, I'll make another thread here about this subject soon. |
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