This has really coiled it with people Calling the Trinity pagan.
Listen people ... God is made up of three persons, or three forms, Father, Son and Holy Spirit, all three make the Holy Trinity.
They are NOT three seperate Gods, they are all dependant on each other, meaning that you cannot have God without the Holy Spirit or Without Jesus etc etc.
There are 7 colors in the Rainbow, but they come together to make WHITE LIGHT.
If your so keen on calling the Trinity pagan, why dont you look at the examples in nature around you which God has planted?
Time: Past, present and future - Three in ONE, All come together to make TIME ... and you CANNOT have one without the other.
Humans: Spirit, Soul and Body ... Three, but ONE ... you CANNOT have one without the other. When you look at yourself in the mirror Mujahideen, do you see your Soul spirit and body in three different parts, or all one?
Now listen up guys ... God is able to do ANYTHING, so why do you doubt his limits and also say that we beleive in three Gods? Thats a load of nonsense.
God is a trinity of persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. The Father is not the same person as the Son; the Son is not the same person as the Holy Spirit; and Holy Spirit is not the same person as the Father. They are distinct person; yet, they are all the one God
Just like when you split up white light, You get colors like blue, red, green etc etc ... They are not the same but come together to make white light.
A further point of clarification is that God is not one person, the Father, with Jesus as a creation and the Holy Spirit is a force (Jehovah's Witnesses). Neither is He one person who took three consecutive forms, i.e., the Father became the Son, who became the Holy Spirit. Nor is God the divine nature of the Son (where Jesus had a human nature perceived as the Son and a divine nature perceived as the Father (United Pentecostal). Nor is the Trinity an office held by three separate God (Mormonism).
The Trinity can be a difficult concept to understand. Some think it is a logical contradiction. Others call it a mystery. Does the Bible teach it? Yes it does, see trinity, but that doesn't automatically make it easier to comprehend.
The Trinity is defined as one God who exists in three eternal, simultaneous, and distinct persons known as the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Such a definition may suffice for some, but for others this explanation is insufficient.
Therefore, to help understand the Trinity better, I offer the following analogy that, I think, is hinted at in Romans 1:20: "For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made".
Notice that this verse says God's attributes, power, and nature can be clearly seen in creation. What does that mean? Should we be able to learn about God's attributes, power, and nature by looking at what He has made? Apparently, according to the Bible, this is possible.
When a painter paints a picture, what is in him is reflected in the painting he produces. When a sculptor creates a work of art, it is form his heart and mind that the source of the sculpture is born. The work is shaped by his creative ability. The creators of art leave their marks, something that is their own, something that reflects what they are. Is the same with God? Has God left His fingerprints on creation? Of course He has.
The Universe Consists of three elements ... Time ... Space .... and Matter ... all three come together to make the Universe, you cannot have one without the other.
Space: Height, Width and Depth ... Three seperate things, but come together as ONE .... again, you CANNOT have one without the other.
Matter: Solid, Liquid and Gas
As the Trinitarian doctrine maintains, each of the persons of the Godhead is distinct, yet they are all each, by nature God.
With time, for example, the past is distinct from the present, which is distinct from the future. Each is simultaneous. Yet, they are not three "times" but one. That is, they all share the same nature: time.
With space, height is distinct from width, which is distinct from depth, which is distinct from height. Yet, they are not three "spaces", but one. That is, they all share the same nature: space.
With matter, solid is not the same as liquid, which is not the same as gas, which is not the same as solid. Yet, they are not three "matters", but one. That is, they all share the same nature: matter.
Some critiques of the Trinitarian doctrine say that the Trinity is really teaching three gods, not one. They will say that God the Father, and God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit would make three gods, since the Father plus the Son, and God the Holy Spirit would make three. But this is not a logical necessity. Instead of adding, why not multiply? One times one times one equals one. Why must addition be the criteria by which the doctrine is judged? It need not be. Rather, the doctrine should stand or fall based upon Biblical revelation, not human logic. Nevertheless, let me draw an analogy from creation itself to illustrate the doctrine of the Trinity.
AN ANALOGY OF THE TRINITY
To continue with the observation about the Trinitarian nature of creation, I would like to use "time" to illustrate the Trinity. Is the "past" plus the "present" plus the "future" a total of three times? Not at all. It simply is a representation of three distinct aspects of the nature of time: past, present and future. Likewise, the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are not three separate beings or entities, but three distinct persons in the one nature of the Godhead.
One more comment about Jesus. All cults deny that Jesus is God, the creator of the universe, in flesh. Various objections are raised saying that Jesus could not be God, otherwise, He would be praying to Himself, etc. Let's work with the analogy above, and continue with "time" as our illustration.
Let's take "present" and add to it human nature. Present, then, would have two nature: time and man. If "present" were truly human then he would be able to communicate with us, tell us much, and we could see and touch him. But, because he is also "time" by nature, he would be able to tell us both the past and the future as he manifested the "time" nature within him. If "present" then, communicated with the past and the future, it would not mean he was communicating with himself, but with the distinctions known as the past and the future.
I know that this is only an analogy. But I think it is a good, though basic, illustration of God's nature as express in Trinitarian expression.
We see the same doctrine designed cleverly inside Creation again ... Look..
Atoms: Proton, Electron and Neutron
Philosophical Argument For The Trinity:
If God is perciever and knower of all eternity, He must have an object of that perception and knowledge. But, in eternity there were no created beings at all with Him whom He might know and percieve, how could He then be called the perceiver and knower in a Divine and Eternal sense?
Re: God percieved and knew Himself.
2. If God is all perciever and knower, uncircumscribed so that HE does not percieve and know with one part and be percieved and known with another part then how can He percieve Himself? The meaning seems to be that is no differentiation within the Godhead then how could this be possible? We say that God was percieving and knowing His Word and His Spirit from everlasinting, and percieved and knew His creature as not existing but going to exist in the future. These are not parts set at a distance one from another so that one percieves and the other is percieved, because the Father is in th Son, the Son is the Spirit without any break or interval or confusion, just as the soul is in the reason and the reason in the mind without any break or confusion.
Re: Since God percieved the creatures before they came to exist an eternal perciever does not involve the eternity of the object percieved.
3. An infinite perciever requires an infinite object of perception.
Re: Not convinced, does this not only show that the Spirit and Word are creatures?
4. By what instruments did God create the heavens and the earth? God needs no instruments, he creates things ex nihilo. If there were need of instruments to create and these instrument were themselves created then other instruments would be needed to create those instruments and so on ad infinitum.
Heres something that will preach...
The word Universe is latin ... It comes from two words, Uni ... and verse.
Uni = Single
Verse = Spoken Sentence
Universe = Single Spoken Sentence
And in the Bible we see God SPOKE the world into Existance...
Genesis 1:3 Then GOD said, "Let there be light"; and there was light
Nobody is running away from Jesus, there will be no Allah in heaven. Does any muslim here have any more questions about the Trinity or does anybody want me to start firing darts and debunking false claims using philosophy/theological arguments and more information scriptural and non-scriptural showing the Trinity is not paganism and that our God is a Triune God.
Anybody want to take my challenge? Give me your questions all one by one.
Kind Regards,
Scorpz.