ArchivedJESUS IS GOD!!!No one in the OT declared themself to be before Abraham, but they did say God knew them before they were born. When Jeremiah says God knew him before he was formed in the womb and when Solomon in Proverbs says the Lord possessed him since the beginning, that is not the same as when Christ said "before Abraham was, I AM." Let me explain why. What Jeremiah and Solomon declared, all men can make that same claim. God knew about both your life and my life before we were even born, because He is God. Common sense would tell you that God knew of Abraham before Abraham was born also. But Christ made a specific claim which no other man can make. You and I can say God knew us before we were born and since the foundation of the earth, but can we say before Abraham was we were? If you interpret what Jesus said meaning: "Jesus is saying God knew of him before he was born like any other man" then what about Abraham? Didn't God know about Abraham before Abraham was born also? But then Christ said He was before Abraham, which shows Christ does not mean that the Father knew him before he was born, but rather Christ existed before Abraham existed. Jesus also said, "I am the Alpha and the Omega" and "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth." P.S.--I did not bring up the "I AM" discussion. What inconsistance? Read the scripture for the truth. The scripture is not inconsistant, it's people's opinions that are inconsistant. Before you declare inconsistancies from Bible references, maybe you should look at your Muslim scholars who disagree with the meanings of Qu'ran interpretations. Why should I be in denial because of what references say? Some references go against fundamental Christian doctrine. How would you like it if I said the Qu'ran teaches to be violent and I use the actions of Islamic extremists as an example? And on top of that, I said you were in denial? But then you would say the Islamic extremists take the Qu'ran passages out of context and the Qu'ran does not teach to be violent. This is unfair what you did. You seperated this comment of mines which was suppose to be in connection with the rest of my comments. In other words, the full saying was to be: People who called God there father before Christ, were they claiming to be one with the Father? Also, people who called God their father before christ, did they ever claim to be the only one to declare Him? Did they ever say they were the only way towards Him and anyother way is a broad way to destruction? So, this goes back to my original argument, which is, when Christ said "my God" he was referring to the Father. I wanted you to give me an example of people who called God their father and claimed ALL of the following (not one): They were one with the Father, they were the only one to declare the Father, they were the only way to the Father, pray in their name when praying to the Father. Now, you can say Christians are one with the Father and Jesus, just as Jesus is one with the Father, but can Christians say we are the only way to the Father and any other way leads to destruction? Can we say pray in our name when praying to the Father? I think not. At the time of the prophets in the OT, no prophet claimed they were the only way God. In fact, when a prophet was doing the work of God in the OT, other prophets existed at the sametime as them. How then can they claim to be the only way to the God, when there were other prophets around? Christ said He is the only way to the Father, no other prophet makes that claim. The prophets of the OT gave sacrifices symbolizing the death of Christ. They looked forward to the cross. Without the cross, they would also be doomed. Therefore, Jesus' saying of being the only way also applies to them. Note: Christ already refutes your claim of comparing Him to other prophets. Just read Mark 12:6-7 and you will see in Jesus' parable, the son is the heir of all the servants (prophets of OT) who were sent. Also, since you are so concerned about what Christ said, He also claimed to be the last one the Father would send (Verse 6). Any other prophet who comes after Christ, must come in the name of Christ. But this get's into another discussion. Revelation 17:14>These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings: and they that are with him are called, and chosen, and faithful. What did Christ say? In Matthew 12:41-42, He claims to be greater than Jonah and Solomon (Also in Luke 11:31-32). Daniel prophesied about Jesus ruling in an everlasting kingdom. So do not compare others in the Bible who were called lords to the King of kings and Lord of lords--Jesus Christ. |
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