Magistrates and judges are commanded to be just in their administrations. First, in those which we call pleas of the crown a standing rule is here given, that the fathers shall not be put to death for the children, nor the children for the fathers. If the children make themselves obnoxious to the law, let them suffer for it, but let not the parents suffer either for them or with them; it is grief enough to them to see their children suffer: if the parents be guilty, let them die for their own sin; but though God, the sovereign Lord of life, sometimes visits the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, especially the sin of idolatry, and when he deals with nations in their national capacity, yet he does not allow men to do so. Accordingly, we find Amaziah sparing the children, even when the fathers were put to death for killing the king, (2 Kings 14:6). It was in an extraordinary case, and no doubt by special direction from heaven, that Saul's sons were put to death for his offence, and they died rather as sacrifices than as malefactors, (2 Sam. 21:9-14). Second, in common pleas between party and party, great care must be taken that none whose cause was just should fare the worse for their weakness, nor for their being destitute of friends, as strangers, fatherless, and widows: "Thou shalt not pervert their judgment, nor force them to give their very raiment for a pledge, by defrauding them of their right." Judges must be advocates for those that cannot speak for themselves and have no friends to speak for them.
I don't see how you justify the crucifiction of Jesus here. Let's also examine it. The verse clearly states that I can't be killed for my father's sins.
Prophet Jeremiah, having found his sleep sweet, made so by the revelations of divine grace, sets himself to sleep again, in hopes of further discoveries, and is not disappointed; for it is here further promised that they shall be reckoned with no further for the sins of their fathers. They shall say no more (they shall have no more occasion to say) that God visits the iniquity of the parents upon the children, which God had done in the captivity, for the sins of their ancestors came into the account against them, particularly those of Manasseh: this they had complained of as a hardship. Other scriptures justify God in this method of proceeding, and our Saviour tells the wicked Jews in his days that they should smart for their fathers' sins, because they persisted in them, Matt. 23:35-36. But it is here promised that this severe dispensation with them should now be brought to an end, that God would proceed no further in his controversy with them for their fathers' sins, but remember for them his covenant with their fathers and do them good according to that covenant: They shall no more complain, as they have done, that the fathers have eaten sour grapes and the children's teeth are set on edge (which speaks something of an absurdity, and is an invidious reflection upon God's proceedings), but every one shall die for his own iniquity still; though God will cease to punish them in their national capacity, yet he will still reckon with particular persons that provoke him. Note, Public salvations will give no impunity, no security, to private sinners: still every man that eats the sour grapes shall have his teeth set on edge. Note, Those that eat forbidden fruit, how tempting soever it looks, will find it a sour grape, and it will set their teeth on edge; sooner or later they will feel from it and reflect upon it with bitterness. There is as direct a tendency in sin to make a man uneasy as there is in sour grapes to set the teeth on edge.
And this justifies why Jesus can't die for our sins.
God, by prophet Ezekiel, having laid down the general rule of judgment, that he will render eternal life to those that patiently continue in well-doing, but indignation and wrath to those that do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness (Rom. 2:7-8 ), comes, in these verses, to show that men's parentage and relation shall not alter the case either one way or other. He appeals to themselves then whether they did not wrong God with their proverb. "Thus plain the case is, and yet you say, Does not the son bear the iniquity of the father? No, he does not; he shall not if he will himself do that which is lawful and right,". But this people that bore the iniquity of their fathers had not done that which is lawful and right, and therefore justly suffered for their own sin and had no reason to complain of God's proceedings against them as at all unjust, though they had reason to complain of the bad example their fathers had left them as very unkind. Our fathers have sinned and are not, and we have borne their iniquity, (Lam. 5:7). It is true that there is a curse entailed upon wicked families, but it is as true that the entail may be cut off by repentance and reformation; let the impenitent and unreformed therefore thank themselves if they fall under it. The settled rule of judgment is therefore repeated. The soul that sins shall die, and not another for it. What direction God has given to earthly judges (Deut. 24:16) he will himself pursue: The son shall not die, not die eternally, for the iniquity of the father, if he do not tread in the steps of it, nor the father for the iniquity of the son, if he endeavour to do his duty for the preventing of it. In the day of the revelation of the righteous judgment of God, which is now clouded and eclipsed, the righteousness of the righteous shall appear before all the world to be upon him, to his everlasting comfort and honour, upon him as a robe, upon his as a crown; and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him, to his everlasting confusion, upon him as a chain, upon him as a load, as a mountain of lead to sink him to the bottomless pit.
Same thing, it justifies why we can't be punished for my father's sin, which in conclusion simply means that I will only suffer for my sins not Jesus.
No, according to YOU God betrayed Him. Here; Fulfillment of prophesy, seperation from God by accepting the burden of sin. Read Psalms 22
Psalm 22 is obviously mistranslated by your inspired priests.
Ps 22.16
For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me:
they pierced my hands and my feet.
And the correct translation is :
For dogs have encompassed me; a company of evil-doers have inclosed me; like a lion,
they are at my hands and my feet.
From the "1917 Jewish Publication Society Bible"
Nice try, but Psalm 22 is in no where about Jesus
17
Many dogs surround me; a pack of evildoers closes in on me. So wasted are my hands and feet
18
that I can count all my bones. They stare at me and gloat;
19
they divide my garments among them; for my clothing they cast lots.
20
But you, LORD, do not stay far off; my strength, come quickly to help me.(He did not help him heh)
This psalm is about when david's son revolted against him and David was all alone. Yet your mighty priest mistranslated it and then said :"O...David was actually talking about Jesus...lol what a laugh.
God abondned David for his sins and then forgave them, thats why David said
My God, my God, why have you abandoned me? Why so far from my call for help, from my cries of anguish?
On the other hand Jesus at the moment of his death while all those people were watching him heard him say :"God why have you betrayed me". The funny thing is that other two Gospels NEVER MENTION THIS AND TELL A DIFFERENT STORY. Accurate information from inspired men I suppose?
There is no mention of a clear defensive position, if someone makes this conclusion then it is his own opinion.
When I tell you Bushamster that you are a smart person and you answer me :"you say I am" what would that imply?
And yet you ignored the fact that another story in the gospel tell a totally different version...lol.... why ignore that?
Now if you want to convince me Jesus was God, you only gotta quote what he said when he was alive as a human being.
Isaiah 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the
government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful
Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. (NIV)
This has been discussed beofre and the correct translation is :
Wonderful in counsel is God the mighty, the Everlasting Father, the Ruler of Peace
You can check the forums and see detailed discussions about it...
John 6:35 Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me
will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty.
(NIV)
John 11:25 Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life. He who
believes in me will live, even though he dies; (NIV)
John 14:6 Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one
comes to the Father except through me. (NIV
And if I lived before Jesus and Lived around the time of Moses he would be saying the same thing. ALl prophets used the same phrases as Jesus did. Did that mean he were God also? No, when you believe in the prophet of GOd and follow him, it is as following God. That is why you won't die even when you're body dies.
OT (The LORD, the first and the last)
Isaiah 44:6 "This is what the LORD says-- Israel's King and Redeemer, the
LORD Almighty: I am the first and I am the last; apart from me there is no
God. (NIV)
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and how is that about Jesus in anyway, isn't God Israel's king and redeemer? Yes he is, Did not God always call him self that? Yes he did.
OT (The LORD, the only Savior)
Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD, and apart from me there is no savior.
(NIV)
Of course God is our only savior. No mention of Jesus here.
NT (Jesus, the I AM)
John 8:58 "I tell you the truth," Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born,
I am!" (NIV)
Please look at the other verses in the Bible in which Solomon and othe prophets make the same claim.
OT (The LORD, Our Righteousness)
Jeremiah 23:6 In his days Judah will be saved and Israel will live in
safety. This is the name by which he will be called: The LORD Our
Righteousness. (NIV)
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NT (Christ Jesus, our righteousness)
1 Corinthians 1:30 It is because of him that you are in Christ Jesus, who
has become for us wisdom from God-- that is, our righteousness, holiness
and redemption. (NIV)
As a matter of fact Judah was not saved but destroyed, and all Jews were scattered and Jesus is not the Jews redeemer as CLAIMED HE WOULD BE. For the simple fact that almost None believed in him.
God is referred to as the Lord:
Matt 22:37 Jesus replied: "`Love the Lord your God with all your heart and
with all your soul and with all your mind.' (NIV)
This is a direct quote from Deaut. Nothing new here.
Too long of a list but I tell you this. Bring me what Jesus said not what others said about him. The term son of god was loosely used to mean holy men during those days for your information. A proof of that is when jesus said:"Is it not written in the scripture:" You are Gods?"
I have also answered the rest on the post you made :"Christians befriend Muslims"
You won't find any and I challenge you. Jesus never claimed to be God at all when he WALKED ON THIS EARTH.As a matter of fact Jesus simply said :" I CAN NOT JUDGE", of course other versions of the story in other gospels mention the opposite, who's living in denial now.