alexei
dear alexei,
hmmm well what can i say, i thought id join just to speek to you, hehe
the quran doesnt mention when adam was created , no..your correct and if you ask your sheikh he weill surely say the same thing, but....you beleive in the same biblical prophets , so i dont see the difference? go on to www.islam-qa.com , and look in the i think its "wonders of creation" section , theres a question called " how long between adam and muhhumad" i highly suggest you read it sir, YOU do the math, work it out for yourself and you'l clearly see its no more than a few thousand years, just like the bible becaause muhhumad copied the bible, many hadith state that he could read and write and even if he couldnt (what the quran alledges) he did have ears i presume.....
i wil be happy to debate you in the future, insha'allah
my suggestion for you and any muslim
1. Study the circumstances surrounding the "revalation" of quranic ayats
please explian mr alexei why muslim scholars believe the earth is flat, i mean....they do beelive in the holy noble quran , do they not?
"... And the earth how it is spread." S. 88:20:
"In his phrase, `how it is spread', he denotes that the earth is flat. All the scholars of Islamic law agree upon this. It is not round as physicists claim." (Cited in Behind the Veil, p. 175)
In the book, Behind The Veil: Unmasking Islam, we are told:
"These are the comments of the ancient Muslim scholars (i.e., Baidawi, Zamakhshari, Jalalan etc.) word for word. Even some Saudi scholars wrote a book a few years ago to disprove the spherical aspect of the earth and they claimed that it was a myth, agreeing with the above mentioned scholars, and said we must believe the Quran and reject the spherical aspect of the earth." (Ibid., p.176)
Islam and Science: Religious Orthodoxy and the Battle for Rationality by Parvez Hoodbhoy: **** (Page 49)
".. The Sheikh (Abdul Aziz Ibn Baz) authored ... a book in Arabic entitled Jiryan Al-Shams Wa Al-Qammar Wa-Sukoon Al-Arz. This translates into Motion of the Sun and Moon, and Stationarity of the Earth... In an earlier book, he had threatened dissenters with the dire fatwa or takfir (disbelief), but did not repeat the threat in the newer version."
"The earth is flat. Whoever claims it is round is an atheist deserving of punishment." Yousef M. Ibrahim, "Muslim Edicts take on New Force", The New York Times, February 12, 1995, p. A-14.
That is a well-known religious edict, or fatwa, issued two years ago by Sheik Abdel-Aziz ibn Baaz, the supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia. The blind theologian's status gives his fatwas great weight, though his opinions have often raised eyebrows or embarrassed worldly Saudis...
Also cited by Sagan "The Demon-haunted World'', Carl Sagan, Ballantine, ISBN 0-345-40946-9, p. 325. I quote (as fair use):
``In 1993, the supreme religious authority of Saudi Arabia, Sheik Abdel-Aziz ibn Baaz, issued a edict, or fatwah, declaring that the world is flat. Anyone of the round persuasion does not believe in God and should be punished.''
Hence, we see that Muslims both of the past and present affirm that the Quran clearly teaches that the earth is flat.
what can you honestly say ? these people know the quran up side down and they say that it says the earth is flat, are you mr alexei of the "round persusain" hehehe, if so youre now an atheist according to this devout follower of the arabic self pro-claimed prophet muhhumad ibn abdallah
these "scientists" like dr maurice bacuallie and dr keith moore did it for the money, there is NO science in al - quran "al kitab kazzeb"
muhhumad was a schizo, he said something fully knowing it was a lie , then yet he was the first one to beleive in it.
my theory is, he was hearing voices , which led him to attempted suicide on 3 occasions until the "voice" stopped him from doing so , then i beleive the "voice" went away but he had already gotten blind followers so he occasionly when the need arised told his followers ohh" allah said this and this ok, do it " look at what allah suppoosedly said when muhhumad wanted to marry his adopted sons wife. you really think almight god is that low? almighty God just sooo wanted to make life oh so very comfotable for this bodeuin arab muhhumad, okay
for the record i used to believe in muhhumad