As an AIDS patient I find it ludicrous you are attempting to educate me about the disease, how it is transmitted, etc. My youngest brother Donald died of AIDS related causes in 1995. I am on The Body's mailing list and I link to their website on my website.
I am really sorry that happened to your brother. As a gay person I have studied it for ten years. I didn't say anything that is not true about it. Uncareful sex by letting you bodily fluids enter the others body is the reason of it being sexually transmitted and it is spread so you can't get it unless your partner already has it. Which means gay sex is completley unrelated.
Your interpretation of the Bible does not make it the correct interpretation.
I don't have an interpretation. I'm saying its open to interpretation. There is a big difference.
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The validity, efficacy and ethics of clinical attempts to change an individual’s sexual orientation have been challenged (3,4,5,6). To date, there are no scientifically rigorous outcome studies to determine either the actual efficacy or harm of “reparative” treatments.
There is sparse scientific data about selection criteria, risks versus benefits of the treatment, and long-term outcomes of “reparative” therapies. The literature consists of anecdotal reports of individuals who have claimed to change, people who claim that attempts to change were harmful to them, and others who claimed to have changed and then later recanted those claims (7,8,9).
So what about those of us who have never gone through conversion or reparative therapy and have changed our sexual orientation?
Many possibilities can come from that, they could already be bi or confused. There is no scientific data to show what it really is.
You see, AngelBaby it does not take a shrink to reach a goal. If I may emphasize: The literature consists of anecdotal reports of individuals who have claimed to change, people who claim that attemtps to change were farmful to them, and others who claimed to haved changed and then later recanted those claims. The key word is anecdotal, not empirical peer reviewed studies. You may find this site bigoted, but I find this statement both bigoted and unscientific.
They were not talking about the pychologists study. They were saying the reparative therapy's results literature was anecdotal. It means there is no real scientific proof of it being successful or nonsuccessful. Which means the reparative therapies are not scientific and not empirical as you put it for the APA to except.
I not only claim to have changed my sexual orientation I have, and this is true of Joe Dallas, Alan Medinger, Andy Cominsky, and thousands of other men and women worldwide. I know to many ex-gays who are married, have not recanted, and wonder why they waited so long to seek the encouragement and support they needed.
If you want to do it and can do it than okay, whatever floats your boat but there has been proven to be alot of mental health risks which means it is unhealthy for alot of people. I do not advocate reparative therapies until they are more safe and also include being able to change a straight persons orientation if they want to, otherwise it is discriminating and the organization is unbiased.
I can interpret their biased pro-gay stance any way I want to interpret it; or is interpretation only to be used to counter our stance on homosexuality?
You can but it wont be true. There is no reason for the APA to be biased, they were not founded on a gay organization, they are real psychologists. That got there results from real scientific research. There is still no reason to think they are biased.
Again its not interpretation, its the fact that the bible is open to interpretation.
Even Dr. Spitzer, a supporter of the 1973 removal of homosexuality from the DSM III has called for further studies based on his patients ability to change. His stated that those with deep seated religious convictions can change their sexuality. In other words some of his patients accept that old book as you refer to the Bible as correct.
Dr. Robert Spitzer has been shown to be far from unbiased and very questionable. He doesn't provide real facts that his patients have changed.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_spit.htm
And by the way, we agree that no person can be forced into therapy to change their sexuality, they have to want to for their own reasons. And to even attempt to discount any person's religious views because the are counter to your own is just as bad as trying to force a person to change their sexuality.
I'm not forcing anything. I'm saying what I know to be true. Giving out truth is helping someone. Especially if its stopping them from being hateful.
No society has ever fallen because it was a homosexual society, I did not say that, and neither did that article. You are misreading it on purpose. An increase in acceptance and the practice of homosexuality is historically the death knell of a society. Rome is the prime example; as are Sparta, Thebes, and several other Greek City States. If you take the time to do a little research you will find that when heterosexual morality goes into the gutter, homosexual activity and acceptance of homosexuality increases. Increased acceptance of homosexuality is not the cause of the fall of the culture it is the final symptom of the fall.
Theres another prejudgment, it means the same thing either way you are saying it, there is no reason for homosexuality to be the cause or symptom because it is a form of love.
Also you can call anything a symptom that you don't like. If someone didn't like there make in pottery at that time, they could call that a symptom in the same way you did.
Racist organizations claim the Roman Empire fell because the rise in inter-racial marriages.
http://www.stormfront.org/whitehistory/romefall.htm
Tenney Frank (1916): “race mixture and the fall of the Roman Empire;” Romans intermarried with slaves.
Eduard Seeck (1930s): “racial blending,” and the “contamination” of the blood of the noble Romans by Syrians and the other “offspring of slaves.”
Anyone can say things like that to fit their view.
This describes in detail why the roman empire fell.
http://www.roman-empire.net/collapse/collapse-index.html
You know what your problem is? You can't stand the idea that there are people who have changed and want to help others who want help changing. If this was not the case you would not be here doing everything you can to discount our faith.
I'll just keep copying this if you keep repeating it,
I'm not against people choosing to want to change there orientation if they want to and are not pressured by religious organizations or society or don't have self hating issues. There is no reason to want to change, it is a form of love but different strokes for different folks is what I say. In that case it would be a choice in taste. Like apples and oranges.
In that case that would also involve Straights that want to be Gay or Bi.
As long as they are not doing it for unhealthy reasons or them changing would be unhealthy to them.
I am here because of the lies this website tries to spread about gay people. What was the first and second thing I said when I posted on this forum?
There is a denomination called the Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Churches with 44,000 members in 1200 congregations worldwide that claim homosexuality is a viable alternate lifestyle approved by God. It was founded in 1968 by Troy Perry, a man who deserted his wife and children; ran off to California and started a gay church. Unitarian's and some major denominations either have or are moving toward denying historal Christianity by ordaining openly gay pastors. Gay's who are professed Christian's can worship to their hearts content at these churches. So why are you fighting us?
I am not fighting in any way, I'm spreading the truth. I'm concerned about the uninformed people that cross your path and you try to feel them with your untrue and hateful things about gays.
Your just as prejudiced, bigoted, and narrow-minded as you accuse us of being.
No I think you are just very misinformed and want to hang on to that misinformation which shows closemindedness.