Book http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/Books/Intro.html Author http://answering-islam.org.uk/Testimonies/walid.html Here is an excerpt from the book: http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=10f9f6f60f1ec3bc6ec215f1ba2c2b1f&p=1660838#post1660838 ------------------------------------------- 7 hills of Mecca 1) Jabal abu Siba’ 2) Jabal Safa 3) Jabal Marwah 4) Jabal abu Milhah 5) Jabal abu Ma’aya 6) Jabal abu Hulayah 7) Jabal abu Ghuzlan Heres some other points that could be made. Quote: Saudi Arabia fits much more then Rome: 1) Saudi Arabia has influence via Oil over the kings of the earth (17:1. 2) Corrupts the nations (17:2; 18:3; 19:2) with Islamic influence. 3) Even Mecca is called The city of seven hills today. 4) Persecutes the saints (17:6). Do you see any persecution in Rome today? Yet in Saudi Arabia believers are beheaded, exactly as Revelation stated I see the ones who were beheaded. Saudi Arabia is even mentioned in Jeremiah 49:33 (Kedar and Hazor) by NAME which will suffer this destruction. Iran (Persia or Elam) will suffer destruction as well with her (Jeremiah 49:34-39) which fits perfectly with the Gog of Ezekiel 38 since Persia is included. Isaiah 13 as well fits Jeremiah’s prophecies. Revelation 18:3: “For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies.” Through the abundance of oil, ALL the nations prospered. Jeremiah 51:9: “We would have healed Babylon, but she is not healed: forsake her, and let us go every one into his own country.” ---------------------- In the Islamic religion: the Koran has seven esoteric senses, according to Muslim mysticisms (sometimes they talk about seventy senses); there are seven consonants, called sawakit, that are not in the first verse of the Koran; there are seven towers at the Mecca; during of the pilgrimage to Mecca, they have to undertake seven turns of the Kaba and seven courses between the mounts Cafa and Marmia; the soul of the deads remains seven days beside the tomb and the new-born baby receives his name the 7th day; the cats and the dogs have seven lives; the Fatiha counts seven verses (opening the Koran); the seven gates that possess the Hell which are in relation with the various torments it contains, and there would be also seven hells: Gehennan, Ladha, Hatorna, Sair, Sakar, Jahim and Hawiyat; the Koran says that Allah has created seven skies and as much lands. (Koran 65,12 and 41,8-11) http://pages.globetrotter.net/sdesr/nu7.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is an excerpt from the book: Mystery Babylon: Does it fit Mecca or the Vatican? Many people claim this is the Vatican because of the following reasons: The seven hills only exist in Rome (Italy). False prophet/beast believed to be the Roman Catholic Church in Revelation 13, 14 and 17. They point to verses such as Revelation 17:4 and the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: They indicate that the priests are arrayed in this colour and have the same golden cup, and mix with false religions as way to God. Revelation 17: 6 And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. Revelation 17:6 used to indicate that they have killed the saint’s i.e Bible believing Christians in the past. Revelation 18: 3 For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies. Revelation 18:3 to say all kings have committed fornication i.e traded with or through the Roman Catholic Church. Revelation 17:18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth. Revelation 17:18 to indicate that this city is no other but the Vatican in Rome influencing Kings/leaders of the world. Revelation 17:3 So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit upon a scarlet coloured beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. Revelation 17:3 to indicate that this is the city on seven hills i.e Rome in Italy. Many claim that the Vatican is the only qualified candidate to the "Mystery Babylon", no other city on earth matches the Biblical description but let us examine the validity of this claim. We will show this is not true as Mecca is a better candidate then the Vatican. We note Jeremiah’s prophetic vision. Jeremiah's prophetic vision of Babylon in Jeremiah 50 and 51 is clearly linked to John's vision in Revelation 17 and 18 regarding events that take place during the great tribulation. Jeremiah's prophecy has Babylon invaded by great nations from the north (50:9). This cannot be Italy (Rome), if so then who is going to invade Italy from its north if Italy is Babylon? We will show Saudi Arabia fits the bill much more then Rome: 1) Revelation 13:3 "And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast". Saudi Arabia has influence via Oil over the kings of the earth Rev (17:18). The political climate of the times revolves around oil as this is the main commodity that the whole world at large is dependent on especially the Western nations as the Arabs have a monopoly on the oil market. 2) Corrupts the nations (Rev 17:2; 18:3; 19:2) with Islamic influence. Islam is the only other overtly evangelistic religion aside from Christianity and the extent of Arab imperialism in non-Arab Islamic countries is only too apparent. It is the only religion that defies the word of God at the core and at the same time maintains that we worship the same God and makes charges of corruption against the Bible. The Jews may also disagree with the Christian perspective but the point is that the Old Testament is something that all Christians revere and uphold as divine revelation therefore Christians attest to Biblical Judaism as far as scripture itself is concerned. 3) "The city of seven hills". Revelations 17:18 "the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth". Chapter 19:2 goes on to speak of Babylon as a real city that will be judged of God and destroyed. Using common rules of Biblical interpretation we can see that Babylon is indeed the seat of power for the final empire of the Anti-Messiah. In Revelation 17:9, it is said that the woman sits on seven hills, or mountains. This city has been connected by many interpreters with Rome, which is famous for sitting on seven hills. It must be noted, however, that the Greek word ‘epi’ translated "on" can just as legitimately be translated as "near". Given this alternate reading, and surrounded by seven hills, Mecca also qualifies. Mecca is a city surrounded on and around seven prominent mountains that geographers cite as: 1) Jabal Quba 2) Jabal al Qinaa 3) Jabal Li Aali 4) Jabal Jifan 5) Jabal Jijad 6) Jabal Qubais 7) Jabal Hindi The difference between a hill and a mountain is firstly, a question of height as mountains are more prominent and different countries have similar heights to designate an incline as a mountain or a hill. Secondly mountains have a summit whereas hills do not and thus the seven hills of Mecca are cited as: 1) Jabal abu Siba’ 2) Jabal Safa 3) Jabal Marwah 4) Jabal abu Milhah 5) Jabal abu Ma’aya 6) Jabal abu Hulayah 7) Jabal abu Ghuzlan Nevertheless, this may well be a straw man because the word in Greek is ‘oros’ which means mountain. This is distinct from ‘bounos’, which is the Greek word for hill. Rome is not surrounded by seven mountains but Mecca is the only place that fits the bill much more. Nevertheless, Mecca also has the hills cited above that does not leave any room for the argument that Mecca coupled with other characteristics of Mystery Babylon fits the description. 4) Persecutes the saints Rev (17:6). Do you see any persecution in Rome today? Yet in Saudi Arabia believers are "beheaded", exactly as Revelation 20-4b stated “And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God”. Saudi Arabia is even mentioned in Jeremiah 49:33 by the name of Hezor and Kedar a descendent of Ishmael, the father of the Arabs. It may be of interest to note that Mohammed was a descendent of Kedar. In Jeremiah God’s wrath is kindled against the descendents of Kedar and Hazor. Iran (Persia or Elam) will suffer destruction as well (Jeremiah 49:34-39) which fits perfectly with the Gog of Ezekiel 38 since Persia is included as well and Isaiah 13 also concords with Jeremiah’s prophecies. 5) Revelation 18:3: "For all nations have drunk of the wine of the wrath of her fornication, and the kings of the earth have committed fornication with her, and the merchants of the earth are waxed rich through the abundance of her delicacies". Through the abundance of Oil all the nations have prospered as their wealth is dependent on the availability of oil as it is an important industrial fuel. http://www.rr-bb.com/showthread.php?s=10f9f6f60f1ec3bc6ec215f1ba2c2b1f&p=1660838#post1660838 --------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------