666 chi xi stigma from Revelation

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18.
|5602| Here
|4678| wisdom
|2076| is.
|3588| The
|9999| {one}
|2192| having
|3563| reason
|5585| let him count
|3588| the
|0706| number
|3588| of the
|2342| beast.
|0706| a number (as reckoned up): -- number
|1063| and, as, because (that), but, even, for, indeed, no doubt, seeing, then, therefore, verily, what, why, yet
|0444| man-faced, i.e. a human being
|2076| he (she or it) is
|2532| and, also, even, so then, too, etc.
|3588| the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc
|0706| a number (as reckoned up): -- number
|0846| of it

|1812| hexakosioi (600)
|1835| hexekonta (60)
|1803| hex. (6)
or
|5516| chi xi stigma

Strong's Number: 1812
Transliterated: hexakosioi
Phonetic: hex-ak-os'-ee-oy
Text: plural ordinal from 1803 and 1540; six hundred: --six hundred.

Strong's Number: 1835
Transliterated: hexekonta
Phonetic: hex-ay'-kon-tah
Text: the tenth multiple of 1803; sixty: -- sixty[-fold], threescore.

Strong's Number: 1803
Transliterated: hex
Phonetic: hex
Text: a primary numeral; six: --six.

Strong's Number: 5516
Transliterated: chi xi stigma
Phonetic: khee xee stig'-ma
Text: the 22d, 14th and an obsolete letter (4742 as a cross) of the Greek alphabet (intermediate between the 5th and 6th), used as numbers; denoting respectively 600, 60 and 6; 666 as a numeral: --six hundred threescore and six.

Strong's Number: 4742
Transliterated: stigma
Phonetic: stig'-mah
Text: from a primary stizo (to "stick", i.e. prick); a mark incised or punched (for recognition of ownership), i.e. (figuratively) scar of service: --mark.

Shown at side is the "Chi" "Xi-(small letter), & "Stigma"

Very Old Text (Rev. 13:18) in glass display at Bob Jones University Library - Greenville, S.C.
The hook is not an underline of the date.


Greek text showing Rev. 13:18 "number name"

Do any of you see anything similar compared to the image below?
You might have to tilt your head to the left!

The word Allah in Arabic


You can find out more about it here
http://www.abrahamic-faith.com/Books/Intro.html
http://www.abrahamic-faith.com

Strong's Number: 444
Transliterated: anthropos
Phonetic: anth'-ro-pos
Text: from 435 and ops (the countenance; from 3700); man-faced, i.e. a human being: --certain, man.

Strong's Number: 706
Transliterated: arithmos
Phonetic: ar-ith-mos'
Text: from 142; a number (as reckoned up): -- number.

Strong's Number: 846
Transliterated: autos
Phonetic: ow-tos'
Text: from the particle au [perhaps akin to the base of 109 through the idea of a baffling wind] (backward); the reflexive pronoun self, used (alone or in the comparative 1438) of the third person , and (with the proper personal pronoun) of the other persons: --her, it(-self), one, the other, (mine) own, said, ([self-], the) same, ([him-, my-, thy- ])self, [your-]selves, she, that, their(-s), them([-selves]), there[-at, - by, -in, -into, -of, -on, -with], they, (these) things, this (man), those, together, very, which. Compare 848.

Strong's Number: 1063
Transliterated: gar
Phonetic: gar
Text: a primary particle; properly, assigning a reason (used in argument, explanation or intensification; often with other particles): -- and, as, because (that), but, even, for, indeed, no doubt, seeing, then, therefore, verily, what, why, yet.

Strong's Number: 2076
Transliterated: esti
Phonetic: es-tee'
Text: third person singular present indicative of 1510; he (she or it) is; also (with neuter plural) they are: --are, be(-long), call, X can[-not], come, consisteth, X dure for a while, + follow, X have, (that) is (to say), make, meaneth, X must needs, + profit, + remaineth, + wrestle.

Strong's Number: 2532
Transliterated: kai
Phonetic: kahee
Text: apparently, a primary particle, having a copulative and sometimes also a cumulative force; and, also, even, so then, too, etc.; often used in connection (or composition) with other particles or small words: --and, also, both, but, even, for, if, or, so, that, then, therefore, when, yet.

Strong's Number: 3588
Transliterated: ho
Phonetic: ho
Text: including the feminine he {hay}; and the neuter to {to}; in all their inflections; the def. article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): --the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

[newseed]

Informative INDEED!

[ILJ/Y]

Peace all,

May God bless you all,
Very interesting info. webmaster!Very interesting indeed!!

YbiC
ILJ/Y

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Peace all,
Newseed,
I must have posted that around the time you posted yours.I didn't see your post.

Webmaster, you mind if I borrow that thread.I'll leave it as is with your link and Simon's?

Let me know brother

In HIM
ILJ

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Peace all,
juniusrachus said,

There are also seven kings. Five have fallen, one is, and
the other has not yet come. And when he comes, he must
continue a short time. The beast that was, and is not,
is himself also the eighth, and is of the seven, and
is going to perdition.
Revelation 17:10-11
…during a period of persecution of Christians by the Romans, John was banished to Pátmos, where he is believed to have written the Apocalypse, or Book of Revelation.

Do you not see The beast was, and is NOT?No offense intended, but at the time John wrote this, Rome as at it's height and was still in power and strong, but the text says "IS NOT," so we must ask, who took over after the Roman empire moved to Byzantine etc...? Islam.It's of the 7, and was the 8th head.It also denies the Father and Son, and Rome does not.

That must be taken into consideration.

YbiC
ILJ/Y

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Peace all,
Newseed,
I must have posted that around the time you posted yours.I didn't see your post.

Webmaster, you mind if I borrow that thread.I'll leave it as is with your link and Simon's?

Let me know brother

In HIM
ILJ

No problem! Here'a a few more
The first picture should make it a LOT more clear since the word Allah is turned which matches the 350ad text from Revelation.






And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

[newseed]

Webmaster,

I would surely be dissappointed if you stopped posting more of this.

ILJ/Y,

Are you going to add this to the exmuslim.com forum? If not, I will be happy to do it myself!

BIC,
Eddie

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P47 is from the third century and is the oldest manuscript
of the Book of Revelation. It contains parts of chapters 9-17.
We will consider its readings for numbers in Rev 13:18 and
neighboring verses in the next section.

Because, as listed above, the majority of the manuscripts
(mostly late Byzantine miniscule manuscripts) include the
representation of the number six hundred sixty-six by the three
letters (chi)(xi)(stigma), the text presented in another modern
(but non-standard) edition called not surprisingly THE GREEK NEW
TESTAMENT ACCORDING TO THE MAJORITY TEXT, does so also.[20] Note
that there is a major disagreement in presuppositions about the
value of various manuscripts and manuscript groups between the
editors of this edition and those of the standard editions.[21]

The so-called Textus Receptus which acted as the standard
from the 16th century (the actual term first being used in the
17th) until well into the 19th century when modern critical
editions started to displace it, was an evolution of early
printed editions of the Greek NT. Its printed text also used the
(chi)(xi)(stigma) notation. The main textual basis of this
edition was only a handful of fairly late manuscripts, a subset
of the majority text.

VI. Papyrus P47 in Detail on the Numbers of Rev 13:18

As mentioned above, P47 is the oldest extant manuscript
which contains part of the Book of Revelation. However, its
method of representing the number six hundred sixty-six (using
Greek alphabetic numerals) is not the one selected by the
"standard" critical text (which spells out the number words).
The textual apparatus of NA26 shows other variations of P47 from
the usual text, even in other places in Rev 13:18.

Although the use of a modern printed critical edition of the
Greek New Testament is within the ability of anyone who can read
the Koine Greek, the potential of looking at actual copies
(reproductions) of individual manuscripts is slight. Even many
theological libraries would not have the printed (published)
editions which would contain photographs of the desired
manuscript.

In this case we are lucky because Kurt and Barbara Aland in
their widely available textbook (pun-intended) THE TEXT OF THE
NEW TESTAMENT (in both the first and second English editions of
1987 and 1989) include a Plate 23 on page 90 which shows
Rev 13:16-14:4 of P47. (Note that the caption of this plate is
incorrect in that it attributes P47 to the the second century
whereas in other places in the book they give the usual third
century date).

As mentioned in the description of the Greek alphabetic
number system above, the usual way to signal that letters are
being used as numerals is by a horizontal line above the
letter-numbers. (A horizontal line can also mean something
else.)

On the ninth line down from the top of this fragment (all
line counts will exclude what might be counted as the first line
which seems to include only one character at the very top of the
plate) we can see the first horizontal line overscore. This is
indeed over the three letters (chi)(xi)(stigma) which represents
the six hundred sixty-six of Rev 13:18.

http://geneva.rutgers.edu/src/faq/666.txt
http://lists.ibiblio.org/pipermail/b-gr ... html#30662

We need pictures of Plate 23 of P47 to support it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Vaticanus

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Contents

It contains Revelation 9:10-17:2.

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/Bible/ ... s/P47.html

The earliest of these Greek New Testament manuscripts are the papyri. They are given that name because they are written on papyrus, an ancient type of writing material made from the fibrous pith of the papyrus plant, which in ancient times grew plentifully along the river Nile. Eighty-one of these papyri have now been discovered, many of them mere fragments. (4)

The most important of these papyrus manuscripts are the Chester Beatty Papyri and the Bodmer Papyri. The Chester Beatty Papyri were published in 1933-37. They include Papyrus 45 ( Gospels and Acts, c. 225 A.D. ), Papyrus 46 (Pauline Epistles, c. 225 A.D.), and Papyrus 47 (Revelation, c. 275 A.D. ).

http://www.biblebelievers.com/Hills_KJVD_Chapter5.htm



So we turn our attention from p47 to Chester Beatty!

The Chester Beatty Papyri

"The Chester Beatty Papyri is the name of a group of biblical manuscripts acquired mainly in 1930 by A. Chester Beatty, an American collector. The had been discovered at Aphroditopolis, N. of Memphis in Egypt, probably originating from the library of a Christian church.

The manuscripts are substantial portions of papyrus codices: (1) seven from the OT, including large parts of Genesis, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Isaiah, Jeremiah, Daniel, Esther, and Ecclesiastes; (2) three from the NT, containing the Gospels with Acts, the Pauline Epistles, and Revelation; (3) one with part of the pseudepigraphical Book of Enoch and a second century homily of the passion.

The number of surviving leaves in these codices varies greatly, the most remarkable being P46 (Pauline Epistles and Hebrews) with 86 nearly complete leaves out of a total of 104. After Beatty acquired the original 10, the University of Michigan acquired another 30, and Beatty another 46, all from the same codex. This collection of papyri, dated to the second and third centuries A.D., provides important textual evidence for OT and especially NT prior to the great vellum codices of the fourth century and later."

Bruce F. Harris, Contributor "Dictionary of Biblical Archaeology" (Grand Rapids, Michigan: Zondervan 1983) p. 127

http://www.bible-history.com/quotes/bru ... ris_1.html

Bingo

The Chester Beatty Library
The Book of Revelation
c.AD 250
Greek text on papyrus
Egypt
Chester Beatty Biblical Papyri III f.7
http://www.cbl.ie/imagegallery/gallery. ... =3&order=2


Also interesting
A Compendium of Military Arts
AD 1366 (dated AH 768)
http://www.cbl.ie/imagegallery/gallery. ... =2&order=3


Back to topic

It can be ordered

FASCICULUS III A
Pauline Epistles and Revelation. Text 49pp
EUR 10.48 IEP 8.25

When ordering parts, please quote FASCICULUS number and letter.

http://www.cbl.ie/facilities/publications_set.html

Photographic facimilies have been created for each page and are available for study. All of the verses which we have from them have been edited by Frederic Kenyon. The have also been made available in the critical text of Erwin Nestle's translation of the New Testament (title: Novum Testamentum Graece).

Most modern versions/translations of the New Testament in English are based upon this text, so the Chester Beatty Material is imbedded within the translation wherever extant material was available to impact or contribute to the text.

This entire work is based on a compilation mostly of the Chester Beatty material, but also includes the other ancient Greek documents of the New Testament.

I would recommend that you buy Nestle's Greek Text of the New Testament, start learning Greek, and you will be reaching your stated objective, since the Chester Beatty material is there.

http://www.leaderu.com/orgs/probe/docs/e-beatty.html

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Topic split and moved from trouble makers.


Here is a blow up of
http://www.cbl.ie/imagegallery/gallery. ... =3&order=2


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X Z c

Chi-Zota Xi or Stigma?
600 7 60
600 7 6

The middle letter looks like Zota but has a slight line to the right in the middle of the Z. Odd

Also the top line above the XZc is to represent a number in Greek but it doesn't fully cover the last letter. Odd

The last letter could be a six or a 60.

Which could read 607 and 60 or 607 and Xi?

More research needed.

[ILJ/Y]

Peace all,

Excellent info. webmaster

Hows the finals going?

Newseed be my guest to post that.I have been debating whether to post it in the mm private forum, or the DI?Post it wherever you wish.Is this forum right here private or public?

I think it would be a good idea to post this link as well, unless it's hidden.

YbiC
ILJ

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I'll move it back to the Revelation and Prophecy :: Eschatology Forum but lock it so we can all reply back to it minus the trouble makers. Also it will be viewable again.

Finals went ok.

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Search for 'Revelation 13:18' in the Greek NT versions

chi xi stigma Match
1550/1894 Textus Receptus
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/Englis ... tion+13:18

hexakosioi (600) hexekonta (60) hex. (6)
1881 Westcott-Hort Greek Text
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/Englis ... tion+13:18

chi xi stigma Match
1991 Byzantine Greek Text
http://www.olivetree.com/cgi-bin/Englis ... tion+13:18


Further break down

Revelation 13 - Parallel Greek New Testament - HTML Bible by johnhurt.com
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B66C013.htm

chi xi stigma Match
Stephens 1550 Textus Receptus
Scrivener 1894 Textus Receptus
Byzantine Majority

hexakosioi (600) hexekonta (60) hex. (6)
Alexandrian
Hort and Westcott
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/B66C013.htm

Descent link for futher study on other stuff
http://www.greeknewtestament.com/index2.htm

"The Greek New Testament is the New Testament; all else is translation". A. T. Robertson

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A few sites I ran across doing research. As with everything take these with a grain of salt. I haven't fully investigated these places but they offer some insight nonetheless.

Revelation 13:12 "And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed."

Now we see the people worshipping the first beast. Is there evidence of people worshipping a city? Yes. The faithful turn toward Mecca at prayer time. They bow down on their faces in worship.

There have been many throughout history that have given allegiance to a particular city like Rome, Babylon, Sparta, Jerusalem, Memphis, Thebes, Thessalonica, Ephesus, and on and on the list could go. Allegiance is akin to worship. It is not a great step to take to worship the political system of antichrist.

http://www.bibleword.org/revelation12.htm

Again, during the second half of the Tribulation--the forty-two months when the composite first beast of Revelation 13 is allowed to exercise authority received from the dragon (Rev 13:5)--all of humanity will have received the Holy Spirit. All will be spiritual Israelites. There will only be one faith: Christianity. And the saints will be divided between those who have accepted the mark of the beast (Chi xi stigma, or the tattoo of the Cross) and worship the beast, and those who refuse the tattoo and refuse to worship the beast. Those who refuse to worship the image of the beast will, likely, be slain (v. 15), especially if they are not inside the walls of spiritual Jerusalem, which has theological rather than geographical coordinates.

The prophecy pundits find in Islam the endtime boogie-man, but Islam today accepts Christ as a prophet. It will not be a far step for Muslims to accept the man of perdition as a genuine prophet, and for the entire faith to convert to Arian Christianity.

Islam presently has a recognizable flaw: there is no criteria by which a person can be certain of going to heaven other than dying in Jihad. A person can never be certain that he or she is good enough to go to heaven. As a result, the culture doesn’t admit blame. It can’t and still have any chance of being with Allah. So the Islamic belief paradigm needs the means of suspending the death penalty for sin for long enough that a person can mend his or her ways. The paradigm needs grace. And the man of perdition will, with charisma, explain to Islamic clerics why they must accept Arian Christianity to stop their young people from blowing themselves up--only the man of perdition can stop Islamic terrorism. And while wearing out Sabbath-keeping saints, this man of perdition will permanently put an end to terrorism. Remember, the whole world follows the beast, and worships the dragon and the beast and even the image of the beast. The world won’t worship the beast, or anyone else without cause. Hitler seemed like a German savior because he put an unemployed nation to work. The man of perdition will seem like a Christian savior for he will finally win the Crusades by bringing Christ to the 10-40 window.

http://homerkizer.org/Daniel7.html

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Back on research..

What is P47?

Two papyri finds that are of importance, as far as we are concerned, are the Chester Beatty Papyri and the Bodmer Papyri. The former, three manuscripts designated as P45 , P46 and P47, were named after the American millionaire, Alfred Chester Beatty who bought the fragments in 1931 in an Egyptian black market. P46, dated to the around 200 CE, contains the letters of Paul (but is missing some parts and is lacking completely in the pastorals, II Thessalonians and Philemon ). P45 and and P47, are both dated to the third century CE. The former consists of the gospels and Acts (beginning from Matthew 20:24 and ending at Acts 17:17 but with a lot of gaps) while the latter are fragments from the book of Revelation (Rev 9:10-17:2 with some gaps).

http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/ntmanuscript.html

What is the Peshitta?

The standard Bible of the Syrian Church is the Peshitta. The Peshitta, of which there are 350 extant manuscripts, contains 22 books of the New Testament but lacks II & III John, II Peter, Jude and Revelation-which the Syrian Church does not accept as canonical. Like the Vulgate, the Peshitta betrays the work of many hands (attempted corrections and revisions) and is of limited significance textually. Other Syriac versions include the Harklensis/Philoxeniana (Syrh), which may have some textual significance, and the Palestinian Syriac.

http://www.geocities.com/paulntobin/ntmanuscript.html

Manuscript Evidence for Disputed Verses

Revelation 13:18

The RSV, LB and NASV have a marginal note to the effect that some manuscripts read 616, instead of 666.

Burgon (14) p 135-7, (32) p 110, 148, states that the authorities for the alternative reading consist only of uncial C, cursive 11 and one father, Tichonius (4th cent.). All other copies of Revelation and all versions support the reading "666," which is also confirmed by Irenaeus (170 AD), Origen and Hippolytus (each 3rd cent.), Eusebius (4th cent.), Victorinus (5th cent), Primasius (6th cent.) and Andreas (7th cent.) and Arethas (l0th cent.).

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/manuscript_evidence.html

Papyri from Oxyrhynchus

Among the more interesting readings found in these papyri, two are especially noteworthy. Ì106 (III century) reads oJ ejklektov" at John 1:34, in agreement with Ì5vid a* itb, e, ff2* syrs,c. Although the UBSGNT4 committee rejects this reading in favor of oJ uiJov" (giving the latter a B rating), that decision will surely have to be revisited in light of now clear Greek testimony from the third century1 for oJ ejklektov". As Head notes (11), “This early support in Greek, Latin and Syriac indicates a geographical diversity behind this reading.” Ì115 (III/IV century) is now apparently our earliest witness to the AC text of the Apocalypse. This MS includes twenty-six fragments of Revelation, covering portions of chapters 2 through 15. Not only is it an early witness to the AC text (the most important textual strand for the Apocalypse), but it also is the earliest witness to the reading “616” at Rev 13:18.

http://www.bible.org/docs/soapbox/schol ... review.htm


Other Links worth mentioning

The material offers important new evidence on a range of text-critical issues and three passages are discussed (Mt. 23:38; Jn. 1:34; Rev. 13:18).
http://www.tyndale.cam.ac.uk/Tyndale/st ... OxyPap.htm

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hmm John knew hebrew also, let's do some research there also?


hebrew shin ~ sin

The letter shin appears engraved on both sides of the head- tefilin. On the right side, the shin possesses three heads, while on the left side it possesses four heads. In Kabbalah we are taught that the three-headed shin is the shin of this world while the four- headed shin is the shin of the World to Come.

http://web.singnet.com.sg/~battle/mainbody.htm

The Letter Shin is easily distinguished by its three heads. The spacing of the Shin is something that takes practice for a Sofer to write correctly. The leftmost leg should have the head of a Zayin. (According to the Arizal,the left leg has the head of a Vov.) The head should have 3 Tagin on it, like a regular Zayin. The heads should not touch one another at all. Also, there should be no more than 3 heads in total, or the letter would be rendered invalid. The bottom should come to a point, and not be rounded or flat.

The Letter Shin is equal to 300. The Letter Tof is equal to 400. Basically, you would put the letters together to equal the number you are seeking e.g. - 22 would be CHOF-BEIS. However, if you wanted to write out the number fully, like when we write seventy one in English instead of 71, you would need to know the Hebrew words for seventy and one and put them next to one another. Finally, keep in mind that in Hebrew they also use the numbers 1234567890, and so even though they are not Hebrew characters, they are universally known and used by the name Arabic characters.

http://www.templesanjose.org/JudaismInf ... graphy.htm

In at-bash , the Name Havayah transforms to mem, tzadik, pei, tzadik, which equals 300, the letter shin . 300 also equals the highest "full spelling" of God's Name Elokim. This equality implies that "Havayah [supernatural revelation] is [absolutely one with] Elokim [natural order]." On the head--Tefilin are inscribed two shins, one with three heads and one with four heads. The three headed shin, the shin of this world, represents the "full spelling" of Elokim, while the four headed shin, the shin of the world to come, represents the at-bash transformation of Havayah.

http://www.inner.org/names/namhavay.htm



Anybody understand hebrew?


Rotated to avoid neck pain.

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Ashura festivals
Do a search on google interesting.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle ... 890541.stm

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The Woman riding the beast is the Catholic Church... Islam is the Beast!

hmm Muhammad first wife was a Catholic!


Still researching!

More information saved here!

http://www.jesus-christ-forums.com/666/

http://www.jesus-christ-forums.com/666/Revelation1.html

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I really think it's time to continue the research?

Anybody interested in helping?

http://www.web-ministry.com/