The UNFORGIVEN SIN of ISLAM - Qur'an 9:5

[The Intruder]

...THAT IS Surah 9, Verse 5:

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Qur'an (9:5)
"Kill the unbelievers
wherever you find them,
capture and besiege them
and prepare for them
every kind of ambush."
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MERDE Mohammed's WORDS THAT WILL BURY ISLAM AND ALL THE IslaManiacs !

FOR,....

The Salami knows

The Intruder

[carol_au]

Interesting thought Intruder

Care to tell us more? Some confusing and mixed up thoughts there I think.

Would love to here what our regular forum writers think as well.

[MrBanks]

Protruder:



Exodus 2:11-12

And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren, and looked on their burdens: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren And he looked this way and that way, and when he saw that [there was] no man, he slew the Egyptian, and hid him in the sand.




Exodus 32:27-28

And he said unto them, Thus saith the LORD God of Israel, Put every man his sword by his side, [and] go in and out from gate to gate throughout the camp, and slay every man his brother, and every man his companion, and every man his neighbour.

And the children of Levi did according to the word of Moses: and there fell of the people that day about three thousand men




Joshua 6:20-21

So the people shouted when [the priests] blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city.

And they utterly destroyed all that [was] in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword.



And you call ISLAM a violent religion?

[webmaster]

9:123 - Believers, make war on the infidel who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that Allah is with the righteous.

Sura 9:5 - When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them

Sura 9:12 - But if, after coming to terms with you, they break their oaths and revile your faith, make war on the leaders of unbelief.

Sura 9:19 - Do you pretend that he who gives a drink to the pilgrims and pays a visit to the Sacred Mosque is as worthy as the man who believes in Allah and the Last Day, and fights for Allah?s cause. Those are not held equal by Allah.

Sura 9:29 - Fight against such of those to whom the Scriptures were given as believe in neither Allah nor the Last Day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Apostle have forbidden, and do not embrace the true faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are utterly subdued.

("His Apostle" refers to Muhammed)

Sura 9:41 - Whether unarmed or well equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and with your persons. This will be best for you, if you but knew it.

Sura 9:73 - Prophet, make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home: an evil fate.

("Prophet" refers to Muhammed)

Sura 9:111 - Allah has purchased from the faithful their lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for the cause of Allah, they will slay and be slain. Such is the true promise, which He has made them in the Torah, the Injil (Gospel), and the Koran. And who is more true to His pledge than God? Rejoice then in the bargain you have made. That is the supreme triumph.


The following Hadith from various sources say:
Narrated Abdullah: I asked the Prophet, "Which deed is the dearest to Allah?" He replied, "To offer prayers at their fixed times" I asked, "What is the next (in goodness)" He replied, "To be good and dutiful to your parents." I asked again, "What is next (in goodness)?" He replied, "To participate in jihad in Allah?s cause."

Narrated Abu Musa: A man came to the Prophet and asked, "a man fights for war booty; another fights for fame and a third fights for showing off; which of them fights in Allah?s cause?" The Prophet said, "He who fights so that Allah?s Word should be superior, fights in Allah?s cause."

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah?s Apostle said, " I have been ordered by Allah to fight the people till they say: ?None has the right to be worshiped but Allah, and whoever said it then he will save his life and property."

Narrated Jubair bin Haiya: "Umar sent the Muslims to the great countries to fight the pagans...(the) Prophet, the Messenger of our Lord, has ordered us to fight you until you worship Allah alone or give Jizya (tribute)."

Narrated Ikrima: The statement of Allah?s Apostle, " Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him."

Narrated Abu Qatada: Allah?s Apostle said, "Whoever had killed an infidel and has proof or a witness for it, then the salb (the belongings of the deceased) will be for him."

Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah?s Apostle said, "To the person who carries out jihad for His Cause and nothing compelled him to go out but the jihad in His Cause, and belief in His Words, Allah guarantees that He will either admit him into Paradise or return him with the reward or booty he has earned to his residence from where he went out."



The genocide in Bangladesh (formerly East Pakistan) during nine months of 1971 stands with the Jewish Holocaust and the liquidation of Soviet POWs as the most concentrated mass killing of non-combatants in twentieth-century history. In an attempt to suppress Bengali independence forces, the West Pakistani military regime unleashed a horrific wave of slaughter that may have killed three million people. The mass rape and often the murder of Bengali women, along with children and the elderly, was accompanied by truly staggering atrocities against younger men, who likely constituted a large majority of the victims.

The masacre of Karbaala:
El-Hussein, the grandson of the prophet and son of Ali Ibn Abu Taleb, the fourth Khalif and cousin of the prophet, was slaughtered with all his family by Yazid Ibn Abou Sefiean, the brother of Ma'aouia, the first Khalif of Amaouien, who reigned over the Muslim world for a century or more.
Who committed this massacre? It was an arab killing the direct grandson of the prophet?
What about Youssef EL-hagag, the governer of Basra, a tyrant? Did you hear about Mohammed El-Safah, the founder of the Abassi Islamic Empire (dawla)? He was nicknamed El-Safah, in arabic the mass killer, for the blood baths he created.

The Armenian masacre in 1916:
The Turks committed the worst massacre of all time in 1916, when they killed a million christians in Armenia and which the world just watched and condemned!! The accounts of this massacre, it was a religious and racial purification masacre , committed by the Turks.

Islam was spread by the sword! Can you dispute that without resorting to changing subjects? Can you deny the fact that within three centuries after Christ the whole civilized world became christian, although christian were still persecuted by the Romans in a manner the makes the holocaust look like a street fight. Compare that to Islam.

Also, when christians commit crimes, it is against the bible and its teachings. They can't back it up with the bible. Islamic fanatics are different. They are doing what they are told to do in the Quran and by the Haddith. That's the difference. Osama Bin Laden is not a fanatic, he is the good Muslim, who knows his faith by heart and tries to comply with Allah's orders.



http://www.born-again-christian.info/mu ... .story.htm
http://www.rnw.nl/hotspots/html/ned030110.html
http://www.exmuslim.com/forum/index.php

[MrBanks]

Webmaster:

Ayye, you wanna play rough uh?



Add up the numbers of all the massacres committed BY Muslims (whether for Islam or not) and what do you think the death-toll would be?

3-4 million at the highes estimate?


Well.........



DEMOCIDE:
NAZI GENOCIDE
AND MASS MURDER
Chapter 1

20,946,000 Victims:
Nazi Germany
1933 To 1945*



By R.J. Rummel





By genocide, the murder of hostages, reprisal raids, forced labor, "euthanasia," starvation, exposure, medical experiments, and terror bombing, and in the concentration and death camps, the Nazis murdered from 15,003,000 to 31,595,000 people, most likely 20,946,000 men, women, handicapped, aged, sick, prisoners of war, forced laborers, camp inmates, critics, homosexuals, Jews, Slavs, Serbs, Germans, Czechs, Italians, Poles, French, Ukrainians, and many others. Among them 1,000,000 were children under eighteen years of age.1 And none of these monstrous figures even include civilian and military combat or war-deaths.
Figure 1.1 presents the range in this democide--genocide and mass murder--and the most probable figure; table 1.1 subdivides the democide in various ways, sorts them, and compares this democide to the war-dead for

Germany and other European nations. The table first lists the various major genocides carried out by the Nazis and the numbers likely murdered: 16,315,000 victims overall. Then is shown the 11,283,000 people the Nazis killed through institutional practices, such as forced "euthanasia," forced labor, and the processing of prisoners of war; or in Nazi institutions, particularly prisoner of war and concentration or death camps. Much of this institutionalized killing was pursuant to one Nazi democide program or another, and the totals therefore overlap with those for genocide. Finally, the table lists those occupied nations that suffered democide. Clearly the Soviet Union and then Poland endured the most.

Shown at the bottom of the table is the number of civilians and military killed in the war, presumably exclusive of democide.2 In total, the war killed 28,736,000 Europeans, a fantastic number. But the democide of Hitler alone adds 20,946,000 more. Were Stalin's democide during the war of 13,053,000 people3 to be included, the number of people murdered by just the Nazis and Soviets alone would exceed the total European war-dead.

When we think of Nazi killing, genocide immediately comes to mind, particularly that of "6,000,00 Jews." But they also murdered for reasons other than race or religion. For one, the Nazis slew those who opposed or hindered them, whether actually or potentially. This was why Hitler assassinated hundreds of top Nazi SA's (Sturmabteilung)4 in June and July 1934, who under Ernst Rohm were becoming a strong competitor to the SS (Schutzstaffel); or executed perhaps 5,000 Germans after the 1944 plot on his life and attempted coup d'etat. Indeed, it is why critics, pacifists, conscientious objectors, campus rebels, dissidents, and others throughout the twelve-year history of the regime in Germany, were executed, disappeared, or slowly died in concentration camps. The Nazis thus killed some 288,000 Germans, not counting Jews, homosexuals, and those forcibly "euthanized." If these are included, then the Nazis murdered at least 498,000 Germans, probably 762,000. As shown in table 1.2, this was one out of every hundred Germans.

If one includes the 5,200,000 German civilian and military war-dead, the average German's likelihood of dying from the regime was slightly better than one out of eleven--extremely low odds for a life.

As high as this human cost of the Nazis was for the Germans, it was higher for the countries they invaded and occupied, particularly in the East. Not only did the Nazis eliminate actual critics and opponents as a matter of course, but they also prevented any serious potential opposition by simply exterminating the top leadership, intellectuals, and professionals. Besides Jews, the Germans murdered near 2,400,000 Poles, 3,000,000 Ukrainians, 1,593,000 Russians, and 1,400,000 Byelorussians, many of these among the best and the brightest men and women. The Nazis killed in cold blood nearly one out of every six Polish or Soviet citizens, including Jews, under their rule.

Moreover, the Nazis murdered as an administrative device. They used terror and mass reprisals to maintain their control, prevent sabotage, and safeguard their soldiers. For the partisans or underground to kill a German soldier could mean that the Nazis would round up and execute all the men in a nearby village, burn the village to the ground, and send all the women and children off to concentration camps. In retaliation for sabotage, they would shoot dozens and even hundreds of hostages.

In some occupied areas in which the Nazis had to contend with well organized and active guerrilla units, they applied a simple rule: they would massacre one hundred nearby civilians for every German soldier killed; fifty for every one wounded. Often this was a minimum that might be doubled or tripled. They thus killed vast numbers of innocent peasants and townsfolk, possibly as many as 8,000 in Kraguyevats,5 1,755 in Kraljevo,6 and overall 80,000 in Jajinci,7 to name just in a few places in Yugoslavia alone. Most executions were small in number, but day by day they added up. From an official German war diary: 16 December 1942, "In Belgrade, 8 arrests, 60 Mihailovich [the guerrilla Chetnik leader] supporters shot;" 27 December, "In Belgrade, 11 arrests, 250 Mihailovich supporters shot as retaliation."8 A German placard from Belgrade announced that the Nazis shot fifty hostages in retaliation for the dynamiting of a bridge. On 25 May 1943 the Nazis shot 150 hostages in Kraljevo; in October they shot 150 hostages in Belgrade;9 fifty hostages in Belgrade in August 1943;10 150 Serbs at Cacak in October;11 and so on. In Greece, as another example, the Nazis may have burned and destroyed as many as 1,600 villages each with populations of 500 to 1,000 people,12 no doubt massacring many of the inhabitants beforehand. Overall, the Nazis thus slaughtered hundreds of thousands in Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, Greece, and France; and millions overall in Poland and the Soviet Union.

But many other regimes have also killed opponents and critics, or used reprisals to maintain power. What distinguished the Nazis above virtually all others was their staggering genocide: people were machine gunned in batches, shot in the head at the edge of trenches, burned alive while crowded into churches, gassed in vans or fake shower rooms, starved or frozen to death, worked to death in camps, or beaten or tortured to death simply because of their race, religion, handicap, or sexual preference.

Most Nazis were absolute racists, especially among the top echelon; they believed utterly in the superiority of the "Aryan" race. They had no doubt that they were the pinnacle of racial evolution, that eugenically they were the best. So science proved, as many German and non-German scientists told them. And therefore they could not allow inferior groups to pollute their racial strain. Inferior races were like diseased appendixes that had to be surgically removed for the health of the body. Therefore they must exterminate the Jew and Gypsy. So also must they liquidate the homosexual and handicapped. So eventually they must also eliminate the Slavs, after exploiting their slave labor. Slavs were not only biologically inferior, but also inhabited territory that Germany needed for the superior race to expand and grow.

But then the Nazi program ran into the problem of numbers. Exterminating millions of Jews would be hard enough. But the Slavs numbered in the tens of millions. Therefore they envisioned a two-part approach: reduce their number through execution, starvation, and disease. And then after the war that the Nazis would of course win, deport the remaining 30,000,000 or 40,000,000 Slavs to Siberia.

These genocides cost the lives of probably 16,315,000 people. Most likely the Nazis wiped out 5,291,000 Jews, 258,000 Gypsies, 10,547,000 Slavs, and 220,000 homosexuals. They also "euthanized" 173,500 handicapped Germans. Then in repression, terrorism, reprisals, and other cold-blooded killings done to impose and maintain their rule throughout Europe, the Nazis murdered more millions including French, Dutch, Serbs, Slovenes, Czechs, and others. In total, they likely annihilated 20,946,000 human beings.

Annually, as shown in table 1.2, the Nazis killed six to seven people out of every hundred in occupied Europe. The odds of a European dying under Nazi occupation were about one in fifteen.13 As table 1.2 points out, this is twice the odds of an American dying from one of the nine worst diseases, specifically stroke, heart disease, diabetes, chronic obstructive lung disease, lung cancer, breast cancer, cervical cancer, colorectal cancer, and liver disease.14

Moreover, even though the Nazis hardly matched the democide of the Soviets and Communist Chinese as shown in table 1.3 , they proportionally killed more. Figure 1.2 illustrates this. The annual odds of being killed by the Nazis during their occupation were almost two-and-a-half times that of Soviet citizens being slain by their government since1917; over nine times that for Chinese living in Communist China after 1949. In competition for who can murder proportionally the most human beings, the Japanese militarists come closest. The annual odds of being killed by the Japanese during their occupation of China, Korea, Indonesia, Burma, Indochina, and elsewhere in Asia was one in 101. Given the years and population available to this gang of megamurderers, the Nazis have been the most lethal murderers; and Japanese militarists next deadliest. 


Better yet, go ahead and check out the WHOLE site......


http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NAZIS.CHAP1.HTM


We won't get into ALL of the wars that Christians have been involved in...just this particular project a quasi-Christian named Hilter was working on.

[webmaster]

Nazism was based upon what?
It surely had nothing to do with Christianity or the Bible no matter how much you want to say so!
Let's break it down then of what it was based upon!
Psychology and Evil

Holocaust Denial and Nazism (National Socialism)
Nazism ('Nazi' is short for Nationalsozialist) is the term used to describe the nationalistic, anti-Communistic, and anti-Semitic doctrines and policies of Goering, Goebbels, Himmler and Adolf Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' party. The Nazis ruled Germany from 1933 until 1945 when Germany surrendered and admitted defeat in their war of aggression which had initiated World War II. The nazi party has been outlawed in Germany ever since.

The Nazis preached the superiority of the Aryan master race led by an infallible Führer (leader) who would establish a pan-Germanic Third Reich lasting a thousand years while annihilating the Jews and Communists, the main scapegoats for all Germany's problems. Millions of Jews, Poles, Russians, gypsies, Catholics, gays and handicapped people were interned in concentration camps where they died or were executed or experimented on. Millions more were used for forced labor.

Today, the term 'nazi' is used to designate anyone engaging in or ordering barbarous acts. The term is used to describe those who advocate force, including murder, of a variety of scapegoats whom they blame for their own, the nation's or the world's problems. Included in this list of scapegoats are homosexuals, blacks, liberals, foreigners, Muslims, Christians, Jews, Arabs, among others.

Thelema
The religious or mystical system which Crowley founded, into which most of his nonfiction writings fall, he named Thelema. The word is the ancient Greek θελημα, "will", from the verb εθελω, ethelô, meaning "to will" or "to wish."
Thelema combines a radical form of philosophical libertarianism, akin in some ways to Nietzsche


Some links for you
http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/osstitle.htm
http://www.freemasonwatch.freepress-fre ... ewage.html
http://www.vetssweatshop.net/dogma5.htm
http://www.blackraiser.com/nazorig.htm
http://www.psychicalexplorers.com/enews ... alwar.html

Friedrich Nietzsche, 1882
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (October 15, 1844 - August 25, 1900) was a famous and influential German philosopher.

The son of a pastor, he was very pious as a child. A brilliant student, he became professor of classical philology at the University of Basel in 1869, but retired in 1879 due to poor health. From 1880 until his collapse in January 1889, Nietzsche led a wandering, gypsy-like existence as a "stateless" person, writing most of his major works during this period. His fame and influence came later, with the help of his sister. She has been associated with the Nazis in the 1930s, and is responsible for selective quoting of his philosophy in Nazi ideology.

Nietzsche is famous for his rejection of what he calls "slave morality" (which he felt reflected the inverse of the "will to power" and a perversion of useful altruism); his attacks on Christianity (a character in one of his works declared that "God is dead"); his origination of the Übermensch concept (translated as "Overman" or "Superman") in only one of his books; his embrace of a sort of a-rationalism; and something he called "the Will to Power" (Wille zur Macht), possibly best regarded as an early attempt at psychology. Nietzsche was strongly influenced by Arthur Schopenhauer and his concept of "the Will to live". H.L. Mencken's book on Nietzsche described his work as an early effort to reconcile the philosophical implications of Charles Darwin's "survival of the fittest" evolutionary theory with contemporary moral and ethical systems. He greatly disliked Darwin and his idea of "the survival of the fitest". In many respects his thinking anticipated the "heredity" side of the ongoing debate about which has more influence on human behavior: learning vs. heredity in the modern discipline of psychology. ("Irrationalism" in human behavior typically stems from genetic/instinctively-derived impulses). Nietzsche's thoughts also anticipated the "biological world view" and genetic interpretation of social behavior in the modern discipline of sociobiology (c.f. one can find updated "Nietzsche" in A New Morality From Science: Beyondism by Dr. Raymond Cattell, which draws from concepts elucidated in Sociobiology: The New Synthesis by Harvard professor Dr. Edward Wilson as well as other emergent disciplines such as "medical anthropology." Nietzsche's concept of breeding upwards towards the "higher man" is indirectly addressed in biological interpretations of human history, such as Dr. Elmer Pendell's Why Civilizations Self-Destruct or Oswald Spengler's The Decline of the West).

Every human action, according to Nietzsche, is born of a basic instinct to exercise one's own power in some way. Gift-giving, love, praise, or harmful acts such as physical violence, carrying tales, etc. all stem from the same unconscious motive: to exert the will. The theory of the will to power is not limited to the psychology of human beings. Instead, it is the essential nature of the living universe, manifest in all things. Growth, survival, dominance in business or physical competition, all are seen as elements of this will.

Some see Nietzsche's "will to power" or, as he famously put it, the ability to "say yes! to life" as life-affirming. Creatures affirm instinct in exerting power and dominance. The suffering born of conflict between competing wills and the efforts to overcome one's environment is not evil, but a part of existence to be embraced in that it signifies the healthy expression of the natural order. Enduring satisfaction and pleasure result from living by instinct and successfully exerting the will to power. This 'will to power' has some affinities with Hegel's theory of history.

Nietzsche pointed out that in order to smooth over conflict between disparate interest groups, opinion leaders of civilizations start to tell white lies. Future generations often take white lies at face value, and add their own white lies, so that over time so many white lies get built on top of each other so that moral, ethical, and religious theological systems become Byzantine, convoluted, and even inverted (or to use a more modern term "Orwellian") compared to "common sense" morality that would be obvious in a primitive setting. Particularly dangerous is "slave morality" which is actually a two way street: the lies a master (or oppressor or greedy exploiter or a "Big Brother") tells his slaves (or the oppressed or the "used") to keep them in a place unfairly beneath their real talents and abilities, and the lies the slaves (or otherwise oppressed or expoited) tell their masters (or more powerful people) to avoid incurring their ill favor. Nietzsche then tried to dissect how elements of "slave morality" have become embedded within ethical and religious theological systems. On a theological level, "slave morality" can include promoting mysticism in the place of hard-headed pragmatism, and glorifying weak and unproductive people over strong and efficient producers. An American population expert, Dr. Elmer Pendell, took this theme further with a biological intepretation of history in his classic work "Why Civilizations Self-Destruct."

To the extent that the study of ethics can be broadly lumped into three categories (obedience-oriented, contractual, and utilitarian), Nietzsche clearly rejected obediance-oriented philosophies (one either obeys or does not obey a higher authority) in favor of a utilitarian approach (one weighs costs and benefits on ones own to determine the ethical implications of an action). According to Dr. Norman Ravitch, professor of history at U.C. Riverside, "What Spengler, Toynbee, and Nietzsche can teach us is how Judaism, Christianity, and Islam, despite superficial differences, were all forged and/or altered by a religious revolution in ancient Iran associated with the name Zoroaster or Zarathustra. The central notions of dualism between Good and Evil, Salvation through an Expected Messiah, and the Final Battle between St. Michael and Satan animate these world religions and their devotees. Pragmatism, reason, and common sense have little place in these primitive Semitic world views. All conflict is interpreted as part of a cosmic struggle between Good and Evil and there is no room for compromise or tolerance."

Nietzsche's assessment, of both the antiquity and resultant impedements presented by the ethical and moralistic teachings of the world's mono-theistic religions, eventually led him to his own dualistic epiphany. Resulting in his work ("Also Sprach Zarathustra").

Nietzsche is important as a precursor of existentialism and an inspiration for post-structuralism and an influence on postmodernism. However, dry academic summaries of his thought cannot capture the liveliness of his writing, and his extraordinary sense of humor, as in the famous exchange: "God is dead" - Nietzsche; "Nietzsche is dead" - God, and the riposte, "Some are born posthumously!" - Nietzsche. In many respects his writings today appear "romantic" relative to modern sociobiological and medical anthropological theory in the same sense that the Wright Brothers' flying machines appear quaint relative to modern high performance jets.

Nietzsche may have contracted syphilis as a student (some think the is the cause of his madness) and endured periods of illness during his adult life, which forced him to resign from the University of Basel. After the completion of Ecce Homo his health rapidly declined until he collapsed: In Italy, wearing only underwear, he tearfully embraced a horse because it had been beaten by its owner. From that moment on he never recovered. Nietzsche spent the last ten years of his life insane and unaware of the immense success of his works.

The cause of Nietzsche's condition has to be regarded as undetermined, as doctors later in his life said they were not so sure about the initial diagnosis of syphilis, since he lacked typical symptoms. Other possibilities could be a tumor or an endogenous illness, possibly paranoia.

In his important work "The Anti-Christ[ian]" Nietzsche frontally attacked German scholarly Christianity for what he called its "transvaluation" of healthy instinctive values. He went beyond agnostic and atheistic thinkers of the Enlightenment who felt that Christianity may simply be an untrue religion to claiming it may have been deliberately propagated as an inherently bad and subversive religion (or in late 20th century parlance: a "psychological warfare weapon" or "ideological computer virus") within the Roman Empire by the Apostle Paul as a form of covert revenge for the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple during the Jewish War. However, in the Anti-Christ, Nietzsche has a remarkably high view of Jesus, claiming the scholars of the day fail to pay any attention to the man, Jesus, and only look to their construction, Christ.

Hmm sounds like satan again here, where I have heard this before Mr Banks? Hmmm from Muslims!


According to the American writer H.L. Mencken, Nietzsche felt that the religion of the ancient Greeks of the heroic and classical era was superior to Christianity because it portrayed strong, heroic, smart, and muscular men as role models and did not try to demonize healthy natural desires, such as creativity and writing poetry.

Nietzsche made it "OK" to view one's pre-Christian ancestors as "noble savages." His works have also been valued as a religious "deprogramming tool," such as in the large tome "Which Way Western Man?" by former American Christian minister and co-founder of the ACLU William Gayley Simpson in which he recounts in great theological detail how Nietzsche's works allowed him to see the light of Darwin and overcome the dysfunctional "slave morality" that had been programmed into him by society and co-religionists.


Works:

Die Geburt der Tragödie, 1872 (The Birth of Tragedy)
Unzeitgemässe Betrachtungen, 1876 (Untimely Meditations)
Menschliches, Allzumenschliches, 1878 (Human, All Too Human)
Morgenröte, 1881 (Daybreak, or The Dawn)
Die fröhliche Wissenschaft, 1882 (The Gay Science)
Also sprach Zarathustra, 1885 (Thus Spake Zarathustra)
Jenseits von Gut und Böse, 1886 (Beyond Good and Evil)
Zur Genealogie der Moral, 1887 (On the Geneaology of Morals)
Der Fall Wagner, 1888 (The Case of Wagner)
Götzen-Dämmerung, 1889 (The Twilight of the Idols)
Der Antichrist, 1895 (The Antichrist)
Nietzsche contra Wagner, 1895 (Nietzsche vs. Wagner)
Der Wille zur Macht, 1901 (The Will to Power, a highly selective collection of notes from various notebooks, not intended for publication by Nietzsche himself, but released by his sister)
Ecce Homo, 1908 (Behold the Man, an attempt at autobiography; the title refers to Pontius Pilate's statement upon meeting Jesus of Nazareth)

[Mr Banks]

Webmaster:

What on EARTH are you talking about?

Man, the Nazis were CLEARLY Christians who believe that Jesus was Christ and the son of God.

Try as much as you want,
You can't erase that stain with "Formula 4*9"!

[webmaster]

First you should get your facts straight!

The Nazi "Holocaust" of 1938-44, tops them all, with 6 million of Jews slaughtered
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Holocaust/history.html


The history

By the end of 1934 Hitler was in absolute control of Germany, and his campaign against the Jews in full swing. The Nazis claimed the Jews corrupted pure German culture with their "foreign" and "mongrel" influence. They portrayed the Jews as evil and cowardly, and Germans as hardworking, courageous, and honest. The Jews, the Nazis claimed, who were heavily represented in finance, commerce, the press, literature, theater, and the arts, had weakened Germany's economy and culture. The massive government-supported propaganda machine created a racial anti-Semitism, which was different from the long­standing anti-Semitic tradition of the Christian churches.

The superior race was the "Aryans," the Germans. The word Aryan, "derived from the study of linguistics, which started in the eighteenth century and at some point determined that the Indo-Germanic (also known as Aryan) languages were superior in their structures, variety, and vocabulary to the Semitic languages that had evolved in the Near East. This judgment led to a certain conjecture about the character of the peoples who spoke these languages; the conclusion was that the 'Aryan' peoples were likewise superior to the 'Semitic' ones" (Leni Yahil, The Holocaust: The Fate of European Jewry, New York: Oxford University Press, 1990, p. 36).

The Nazis then combined their racial theories with the evolutionary theories of Charles Darwin to justify their treatment of the Jews. The Germans, as the strongest and fittest, were destined to rule, while the weak and racially adulterated Jews were doomed to extinction.

You should find this interesting also!

In 1941, Haj Amin al-Husseini fled to Germany and met with Adolf Hitler, Heinrich Himmler, Joachim Von Ribbentrop and other Nazi leaders. He wanted to persuade them to extend the Nazis’ anti-Jewish program to the Arab world.

The Mufti sent Hitler 15 drafts of declarations he wanted Germany and Italy to make concerning the Middle East. One called on the two countries to declare the illegality of the Jewish home in Palestine. Furthermore, “they accord to Palestine and to other Arab countries the right to solve the problem of the Jewish elements in Palestine and other Arab countries, in accordance with the interest of the Arabs and, by the same method, that the question is now being settled in the Axis countries

In November 1941, the Mufti met with Hitler, who told him the Jews were his foremost enemy. The Nazi dictator rebuffed the Mufti's requests for a declaration in support of the Arabs, however, telling him the time was not right. The Mufti offered Hitler his “thanks for the sympathy which he had always shown for the Arab and especially Palestinian cause, and to which he had given clear expression in his public speeches....The Arabs were Germany's natural friends because they had the same enemies as had Germany, namely....the Jews....”

Hitler replied:

Germany stood for uncompromising war against the Jews. That naturally included active opposition to the Jewish national home in Palestine....Germany would furnish positive and practical aid to the Arabs involved in the same struggle....Germany's objective [is]...solely the destruction of the Jewish element residing in the Arab sphere....In that hour the Mufti would be the most authoritative spokesman for the Arab world. The Mufti thanked Hitler profusely.2

In 1945, Yugoslavia sought to indict the Mufti as a war criminal for his role in recruiting 20,000 Muslim volunteers for the SS, who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary. He escaped from French detention in 1946, however, and continued his fight against the Jews from Cairo and later Beirut. He died in 1974.

The Husseini family continues to play a role in Palestinian affairs, with Faisal Husseini, whose father was the Mufti's nephew, still regarded as one of their leading spokesmen in the territories.
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/History/muftihit.html

Excerpts from the meeting between Hitler and the Mufti:

The Fuehrer then made the following declaration, requesting the Mufti to lock it deep in his heart:

1) He (the Fuehrer) would carry on the fight until the last traces of the Jewish-Communist European hegemony had been obliterated.

2) In the course of this fight, the German army would - at a time that could not yet be specified, but in any case in the clearly foreseeable future - gain the southern exit of Caucasus.

3) As soon as this breakthrough was made, the Fuehrer would offer the Arab world his personal assurance that the hour of liberation had struck. Thereafter, Germany's only remaining objective in the region would be limited to the annihilation of the Jews living under British protection in Arab lands.

Veterans of al-Husseini's Arab Higher Committee created the Palestinian group, Fatah, led by the mufti's protege, Yasser Arafat.]

Himmler: "Muslims responded to the call of Muslim leaders and joined our side because of their hatred of our joint Jewish-English-Bolshevik enemies, and because of their belief and respect for, above all -- Our Fuehrer."

Man, the Nazis were CLEARLY Christians who believe that Jesus was Christ and the son of God.

Sure Mr Banks! Muslim Nazi's who participated in the killing of Jews in Croatia and Hungary.
It's the SAME DRAGON that spoke to Muhammad in a cave!

[Omega]

And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him. And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death. Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
2 Timothy 2:7 - Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.

Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

Is that Genocide? It is righteous indignation!

[Naruto]

9:123 - Believers, make war on the infidel who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them. Know that Allah is with the righteous.

"Know that Allah is with the righteous."? Gee, that doesn't sound like Christianity at all.

[Tygyr]

I'm sorry, it seems you all worship Mara. I see no difference between the God of the Bible and Quran with the Buddhist/Hindu god Mara, the god of this world.

[Guest]

Quran: Chapter 9, Verse 5: “Then when the Sacred Months have passed, kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and observe the Islamic lifestyle, then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft Forgiving, Most Merciful

[drmohammed]

...THAT IS Surah 9, Verse 5:

********
Qur'an (9:5)
"Kill the unbelievers
wherever you find them,
capture and besiege them
and prepare for them
every kind of ambush."
********

MERDE Mohammed's WORDS THAT WILL BURY ISLAM AND ALL THE IslaManiacs !

FOR,....

The Salami knows

The Intruder

[jolnar]

A few selected verses from the Quran are often
misquoted to perpetuate the myth that Islam promotes
violence, and exhorts its followers to kill those
outside the pale of Islam.

1. Verse from Surah Taubah
The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often
quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam
promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality: “Kill the
mushrikeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever
you find them.” [Al-Quran 9:5]

2. Context of verse is during battlefield
Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of
context. In order to understand the context, we need
to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there
was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the
Mushriks (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated
by the Mushriks of Makkah. A period of four months was
given to the Mushriks of Makkah to make amends.

The oft-quoted Quranic verse about killing of
disbelievers pertains to only a particular period when
the disbelievers had rejected a treaty. It is like
generalising the American army order to kill
Vietnamese guerillas for all time to come


Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5
of Surah Taubah says: “But when the forbidden months
are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye
find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in
wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they
repent, and establish regular prayers and practise
regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah
is oft-forgiving, Most merciful.” [Al-Quran 9:5] This
verse is quoted during a battle.

3. Example of war between America and Vietnam
We know that America was once at war with Vietnam.
Suppose the President of America or the General of the
American Army told the American soldiers during the
war: “Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them”.
Today if I say that the American President said,
“Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them” without
giving the context, I will make him sound like a
butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said
it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was
trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers
during the war.

4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during
battle
Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Quran
says, “Kill the Mushriks where ever you find them”,
during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim
soldiers. What the Quran is telling Muslim soldiers
is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find
the enemies kill them.

5. Shourie jumps from verse 5 to verse 7
Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam
in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah
chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’,
on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7
of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realise that
he has skipped verse 6.

6. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer
Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the
allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and
bloodshed. It says: “If one amongst the pagans ask
thee for asylum, grant it to him, so that he may hear
the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can
be secure that is because they are men without
knowledge.” [Al-Quran 9:6]

The Quran not only says that a Mushrik seeking asylum
during the battle should be granted refuge, but also
that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the
present international scenario, even a kind,
peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let
the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But
which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that
if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle,
don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a
place of security?

This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious
Quran to promote peace in the world.

[Naruto]

I never knew that. Very nice arguement, Jolnar. I wonder what Webmaster will reply with...

[Alexei]

The unforgiven sin of Islam

Well before I reply to this shallow claim, I just want to share with Christians brothers these verses spelled by the peace maker, the king of love Jesus in the New Testament:

Jesus said to the crowd at Zacchaeus' house:
"Bring my enemies here and slay them in my presence." [Luke 19:27]

[Revelation 2:23], Jesus expresses an almost psychopathic hatred for Jezebel. "I will kill her children."

"Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one". [Luke 22:36]
Why should we buy a sword? If Jesus was the peace maker, we should buy an olive branch!!!

"And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them". [Mark 4:11-12]
Did not Jesus come to save all humanity? Why then did Jesus obscure the gospel by speaking in parables so that people would not understand, turn, and be forgiven? What did happen to the king of love and mercy?

"And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou Son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us. But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel". [Matthew 15:22-24].
I thought that Jesus came to all humanity? Instead he only came to the Jews!!!Why did he refused to cure the Canaanite' daughter knowing that Jesus is really the peace maker, the king of love?

The list is incomplete about Jesus the peace maker, the king of love!!!


Back to the Noble Qur'an and terrorism and killing!!!

"And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith". [The Noble Qur'an 2:191]

Well this verse looks really strong and really aggressive. Anyone who read this verse will surely launch the terrorism image toward the Noble Qur'an!!!
However this is not the truth.

First, please let me explain something and then I'll get back to this verse and we shall see how if it's not misquoted, it will look really logic:

Since Muhammad convoked people to Islam, the pagans didn't stopp even for an instance from killing, slaughtering and torturing Muslims. For many years, Muhammad and his Muslim followers endured the torment of pagans without even responding.
Muhammad had a treaty with the pagans. This treaty was really oppressive toward Muhammad and Muslims but Muhammed accepted it. No long after, the pagans revocked this treaty, and then started again to kill and to slaughter Muslims.
The situation was no more bearable, and Muhammad and his Muslim followers had no other choice than to defend themselves from tyranny and for the right to coexist.
So Muhammad and his Muslim followers were ordered by God Almighty to fight back those pagans as a self defense actions. So all the verses in The Noble Qur'an that apparently talking about killing and slaughtering are in fact referring to the war as a fight back or self defense.

Now back to the verse 2:191:
If just someone would read the verse before, he would see the truth shining like the sun in the middle of the sky on a sunny day:

"And Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Surely Allah loveth not aggressors". [The Noble Qur'an 2:190].

Now it's clear that Muslims here are ordered to fight only as a self defense those who fight them first, and what is more important here is that God ordered all Muslims not to be aggressors and not to start a fight unless they they are attacked.

Just when the verses are not misquoted, we see clearly that Islam only orders a fight just when Muslims are attacked as a self defense action.

What about the rest of the verses which are alleged to be linked to killing and terrorism? Let's have some examples:

"Remember thy Lord inspired the angels (with the message): "I am with you: give firmness to the Believers: I will instil terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers: smite ye above their necks and smite all their finger-tips off them." [The Noble Qur'an 8:12]

This misquoted verse looks really aggressive. However if one would read the next verse, he will find that he was wrong:

"This is because they acted adversely to Allah and His Messenger; and whoever acts adversely to Allah and His Messenger-- then surely Allah is severe in requiting (evil)" [The Noble Qur'an 8:13].

So??? The reason for verse 12 is that these pagans acted adversly against God and Muhammad and the Muslims. Thus it is clear that this verse refers to those who clearly declared their hostilities against Islam and seek to wage wars against the muslims.

"The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement, Except for those who repent before they fall into your power: in that case, know that Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful". [The Noble Qur'an 5:33-34].

So these verse also clearly state that Muslims must fight back those who wage wars against them. And if a pagan or an enemy repents or surrenders, then Muslims don't have the right to kill him (This is 1400 years before the Geneva treaty) .


What about verse 9:5:
But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, an seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful

Well let's look at the verse before:

"Except those of the idolaters with whom you made an agreement, then they have not failed you in anything and have not backed up any one against you, so fulfill their agreement to the end of their term; surely Allah loves those who are careful (of their duty)". [The Noble Qur'an 9:4].

Well it's clear that verse 5 was talking about the unbelievers who attacked and killed the Muslims, and therefore Muslims reacted as a self-defense!!!

Furthermore, The Noble Qur'an says that if an enemy surrender, then Muslim is obliged to protect him and to escort him to a secure place:

"And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not". [The Noble Qur'an 9:6]

For God sake, would someone tell me which army in our days would be obliged to protect and convey an enemy to a safe place???

The Noble Qur'an clearly states that Muslims don't have the right to attack someone if he didin't attack them:

"Allah does not forbid you respecting those who have not made war against you on account of (your) religion, and have not driven you forth from your homes, that you show them kindness and deal with them justly; surely Allah loves the doers of justice". [The Noble Qur'an 60:8].



Now if someone see Osama Bin Laden actions, well I advice him to read this precious quote:
Never judge a religion by its people, judge a religion by its scripture.

And if he was not convinced, I'll be pleased to send him a 60 pages documents about the Christian barbarian massacres along history.


Wouldn't be good for you to read first the Noble Qur'an before crying "The unforgiven sin of Islam"???


Alexei

[jolnar]

Where is peace here ?!!!!!!!!

Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that rape is not condemned in the Bible. The Bible in fact condones or even approves of rape. How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me. Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured around all the nasty stuff in the Bible.

judges :
21:10 And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children.
21:11 And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man.
21:12 And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.
21:13 And the whole congregation sent some to speak to the children of Benjamin that were in the rock Rimmon, and to call peaceably unto them.
21:14 And Benjamin came again at that time; and they gave them wives which they had saved alive of the women of Jabeshgilead: and yet so they sufficed them not.
21:15 And the people repented them for Benjamin, because that the LORD had made a breach in the tribes of Israel.
21:16 Then the elders of the congregation said, How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing the women are destroyed out of Benjamin?
21:17 And they said, There must be an inheritance for them that be escaped of Benjamin, that a tribe be not destroyed out of Israel.
21:18 Howbeit we may not give them wives of our daughters: for the children of Israel have sworn, saying, Cursed be he that giveth a wife to Benjamin.
21:19 Then they said, Behold, there is a feast of the LORD in Shiloh yearly in a place which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goeth up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south of Lebonah.
21:20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards;
21:21 And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin.
21:22 And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty.
21:23 And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them.
21:24 And the children of Israel departed thence at that time, every man to his tribe and to his family, and they went out from thence every man to his inheritance.


Numbers 31:7-18

31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
31:8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
31:9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
31:10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
31:11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
31:12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
31:13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
31:14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.


Deuteronomy 20:10-14

20:10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
20:11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
20:12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:
20:13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
20:14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

The answer is that there is nothing of that but they are the lies of ppl who changed the bible .... the praise for god because he promised that he will protect His last book (Quran) .


You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t “receive” the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5


There are a lot of examples about the Evil in bible but I think -with pure intention - that the christians don't know , I don't think that they ignore .

Islam is the solution :

[Al-Baqarah 2:256]"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower. "
read about Islam :
www.islamonline.net

understanding islam and muslims http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/uiatm/un_islam.htm





All the ppl are equal in this place -the mosque - whether they were rich or poor or saudis , indians , pakistanis ,japaneses , americans , arabs or not arabs .

[Al-Hujurat 49:13]"O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allâh is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. one of the Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2). Verily, Allâh is All-Knowing, All-Aware. "

[Believer]

Peace jolnar,

Point me out evidence condoning rape, killing, etc, in the New Testiment.

What happened 3500 years ago during the time of the Judges is irrelevant today. Christians are not Jews, our main theology is in the New Testiment.
But I must point out, many of those early tribes were going to slaughter the Jews, so they were attacked to prevent that.
Muhammed and his warriors did that, so you're really not proving anything.
But Jesus Christ taught us to love our enemies as ourselves, and show love to those who hate us. Muhammed could have learned alot about love and humility from Jesus, but he regressed from Jesus's teachings and reverted back to this ancient warring age of the Judges.
He brought the sword to the ancient world.

And nice picture, look at all those people praying towards a pagan shrine housing an accursed pagan stone.

[jolnar]

Peace jolnar,

Point me out evidence condoning rape, killing, etc, in the New Testiment.

.

Dear brother Believer ,
God who accepted the old testament is the same with the new one they all were the Word Of God ....

Beside this there are some of Jesus aims here " as the bible claimed":

10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. [Matthew]

15:22 And, behold, a woman of Canaan came out of the same coasts, and cried unto him, saying, Have mercy on me, O Lord, thou son of David; my daughter is grievously vexed with a devil. 15:23 But he answered her not a word. And his disciples came and besought him, saying, Send her away; for she crieth after us.
15:24 But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel.
15:25 Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
15:26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. [matthew]
He calls her names !! ... how this words come from him?!
There are many verses about Jesus when he calls others names .

19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me. [Luke]

But Allah says : [16:125] Invite (all) to the Way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: for thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance.




[john]2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers' money, and overthrew the tables;

Why this strong-arm way !! with all this anger !!


Allah's Apostle -Mohammed - said, "The strong is not the one who overcomes the people by his strength, but the strong is the one who controls himself while in anger."


The massege of hate :
14:26 If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple.

OK .. it is very clear that he wanted you to hate your family or all mankind to be good follower ... !!
OK again .. I think we need to love our god and His prophets more than any one else because of many things but we don't need to hate others .

Prophet Mohammed said "None of you will have faith till he loves me more than his father, his children and all mankind."
He didn't say " hate your father and mother ...etc "
The Prophet said, "None of you will have faith till he wishes for his (Muslim) brother what he likes for himself."

[Alexei]

Point me out evidence condoning rape, killing, etc, in the New Testiment.

What happened 3500 years ago during the time of the Judges is irrelevant today. Christians are not Jews, our main theology is in the New Testiment.
But I must point out, many of those early tribes were going to slaughter the Jews, so they were attacked to prevent that.
Muhammed and his warriors did that, so you're really not proving anything.
But Jesus Christ taught us to love our enemies as ourselves, and show love to those who hate us. Muhammed could have learned alot about love and humility from Jesus, but he regressed from Jesus's teachings and reverted back to this ancient warring age of the Judges.
He brought the sword to the ancient world.

I constantly get this phrase thrown at me. It seems that Christians are very quick to disown 90% of their "perfect" Word of God, as if they would cut out the Old Testament if they could, and use only the New Testament.

Christians always use this excuse to distance themselves from the heartless brutality of the killing of women and children at the hands of Jesus (Jesus and God are one as Christians claim), and yet they are sure quick to whip out Old Testament laws when it is convenient for them to do so. When the time comes for fire and brimstone, they'll quote from Leviticus, Deuteronomy, Numbers and Judges; but when someone brings up all the genocide and cruel inhumanity contained in those books, well, then they say "That's the Old Testament. Jesus came to bring the New Covenant."

When they wish to heap upon us the 10 Commandments, or Adam lived in 3796 BC or the universal flood of Noah took place in 2000 BC, they will pull out their bibles and open up right to the appropriate Old Testament verse. But when we complain about the cruelty and irrationality and savageryof Jesus, they say "Well, that's the Old Testament."

Wait a minute... we are talking about THE Bible here. We are talking about the one and only God that the Christians worship, aren't we? Are there two bibles, two gods?

What these Christians are doing is arguing for something that they claim NOT to believe in... namely "moral relativism": they are saying that morality is not fixed, and changes over time as humanity changes. Go figure...

Exactly how do they do this? How do they create two bibles from the one? They say things like: "Jesus said he came to fulfill the law-- the old law passed away." I think what has happened here is that some ministers have intentionally misunderstood the book of Hebrews. It says: "For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law." [Hebrews 7:12] The laws changed, not passed away.

What changed was the need for a daily animal sacrifice [Hebrews 7:27-2] . That is what the New Covenant was Jesus was a "human sacrifice" for the forgiveness sin, replacing the Old Covenant of sacrificing burnt offerings-- slaughtered animals-- for sins. [Hebrews 8:13]. See also all of Chapter 9 of Hebrews, which describes the Old Covenant of burnt offerings, and Chapter 10 which describes how the New Covenant replaces the Old for the purging of sins. THAT is what the New Covenant is all about-- it means that Christians do not have to put on the butcher's apron and slaughter goats. That's what was changed. If the Christians are right about the "old laws passing away", then we could do away with the 10 Commandments, couldn't we? The "New Covenant" does not release Christians from the killing of homosexuals, or witches, blasphemers and the worshippers of other gods either. The leaders of both the Catholic and Protestant Churches knew this when they murdered hundreds of thousands of people just a few hundred years ago.

The next time some Christian tells you to live by the 10 Commandments, tell them: But that is the Old Testament. The 10 Commandments have been replaced by Jesus' new rules to live by:

Resist not evil. (Let evil take over the country, the world, I suppose?)
Love thine enemies. (What Christian ever did this? Is this even possible?) (Matthew 5:44)
Pray in secret... do not let men see you pray. (Matthew 6:1-7)
Marrying a divorced woman is adultery (carrying the death penalty). (Matthew 5:32)
Don't plan for the future. (Matthew 6:34)
Don't save money. (Matthew 6:19-20)
Don't become wealthy. (Mark 10:21-25)
Sell everything you have and give it to the poor. (Luke 12:33)
Don't work to obtain food. (John 6:27)
Don't have sexual urges. (Matthew 5:2
Make people want to persecute you. (Matthew 5:11)
Let everyone know you are better than the rest. (Matthew 5:13-16)
Take money from those who have no savings and give it to rich investors. (Luke 19:23-26)
If someone steals from you, don't try to get it back. (Luke 6:30)
If someone hits you, invite them to do it again. (Matthew 5:39)
If you lose a lawsuit, give more than the judgment. (Matthew 5:40)
If someone forces you to walk a mile, walk two miles. (Matthew 5:41)
If anyone asks you for anything, give it to them without question. (Matthew 5:42).
"Whosoever shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men to do so, shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:19

Are any of these ridiculous sayings wise? Is it possible to extract the least bit of common sense from them? Is this what you would teach to your own children?

When Christians throw up the excuse "But that's the Old Testament", I ask: "What do you mean, it's the Old Testament?" Christians say "Well, it was different in those days..." All right then-- how? How was it different, so that cruel wars of extermination and the slaughter of children were perfectly acceptable to Christians? Did people value their lives less in those days? Did they value their lives less than we do today?

Remember that Jesus said "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I come not to destroy, but to fulfill." Therefore, Jesus came to fulfill Old Testament Law, such as:

Ex. 22:20 He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
Lev. 24:16 And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.
Ex. 31:15 Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
Ex. 21:15 He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
Ex. 21:17 He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
Ex. 22:19 Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
Lev. 20:13 If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.
Lev. 20:10 And the man that committeth adultery with another man’s wife, the adulterer
and the adulteress shall be put to death.
Ex. 22:18 Thou shalt not suffer a witch to live
1 Sam 15:23 For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft (so much for the American Revolution).
Mal. 2:1-4 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name,...behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.

I can understand why Christians would want to divorce the New Testament from the bloody Old Testament. You would have to to be able to maintain any kind of moral rectitude. But honestly, it cannot be done.

The very first chapter of the very first book of the New Testament lists the genealogy of Jesus back to Abraham.

In Matthew Chapter 17, Jesus speaks to Old Testament figures Moses and Elijah, who's figures appeared before him.

Matthew 24:37 is an undeniable link to the brutality of the Old Testament, where Jesus compares his second coming to the destruction of the Great Flood that killed the world's population.

In the New Testament Jesus makes constant references to "scripture". In Matthew 22:29 Jesus says: "You are in error, because you do not know the scriptures, or the power of God." Now, just what were these scriptures that Jesus was making reference to? The New Testament? I don't think so. At the time there was no such thing as a New Testament! There were only the scriptures of the Old Testament. Every reference to "scripture" in the New Testament establishes one more link to the Old Testament. How many times does the New Testament refer to Old Testament "scriptures"? 52 times.

In the New Testament, Abraham is referred to 68 times, the ancient Israelites are mentioned 73 times, Jacob 26 times, Issac 20 times, Elijah 29 times, Isiah 22 times, Noah 8 times, King David is mentioned 58 times. How about this-- the name Mary (not just the Virgin Mary, but ALL Mary's) is mentioned 54 times in the New Testament. The name Moses, on the other hand, appears 80 times! You think these numbers don't establish an important connection? You don't think that Jesus held that the teachings of Moses were important?

How about this. Jesus gives an absolute endorsement of the teachings and laws of Moses. "If you believe Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you going to believe what I say?" John 5:45

Are you going to sit there and tell me that the New Testament is not inexorably linked in the deepest ways to the Old Testament?

Will any Christian deny that, according to the bible, Jesus is the one and only same personage as the God of the Old Testament? Did Jesus condemn ANY of his father's bloody massacres? No. In Matt 5:48 he says "Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father in Heaven is perfect." (Matthew 5:4

Do you think Jesus would have questioned any of his father's actions, like the many acts of genocide that litter the pages of the Old Testament? No. Remember what Jesus said when he gave the Lord's Prayer to his followers-- "Our Father who art in heaven... thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven."

Do you think Jesus would have ever disobeyed his father's commands, like when he ordered that his servants should "kill everyone that breathes" upon their entry to the Promised Land? No. In John chapter 10 verse 30, Jesus said: "I and the Father are one." Jesus would have been swinging a sword, hacking nonviolent men, women and children to death, right along side of Joshua and his armies of Israelites! Just picture that. Jesus, the Prince of Peace, splitting a small child in two with his blood-drenched sword.

You must also accept therefore that it was Jesus Christ who ordered the Israelites to slaughter millions of defenseless men, women and children in the conquest of Canaan; it was Jesus Christ who killed every firstborn child in Egypt; it was Jesus Christ who ordered king Saul to butcher thousands of children and babies in the genocide of the Amalakites; it was Jesus Christ who ordered the Israelites to capture and mass-rape 32,000 young girls of the Midianite tribe after killing their families; it was Jesus Christ who struck dead 50,000 innocent people at Beshemish ; it was Jesus Christ who caused the asphyxiation of every man, woman, child and animal on the face of the earth during the flood of Noah.

And nice picture, look at all those people praying towards a pagan shrine housing an accursed

Why did the descendants of Abraham in the Holy Bible choose a stone to perform their religious service on or around it? (Genesis 28:10-22, Genesis 35, Genesis 31:45-55).


Alexei

[Alpha]

Alright, if the verses in the Qu'ran are not interpreted to mean anything in a violent way towards people outside of Islam, would you then agree with me that those verses you posted about violence in the Bible does not mean that Christianity promotes violence? (I know that you Muslims posted those verses from the Bible as a defense against the claims made on your religion, but I would just like you to answer the question I made outside of these brackets).

[Omega]

Where is peace here ?!!!!!!!!

Rape is one of the most heinous crimes imaginable. Yet few people know that rape is not condemned in the Bible. The Bible in fact condones or even approves of rape. How anyone can get their moral guidance from a book that allows rape escapes me. Perhaps they have been lied to about the Bible and carefully detoured around all the nasty stuff in the Bible.

judges :
21:10 And the congregation sent thither twelve thousand men of the valiantest, and commanded them, saying, Go and smite the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead with the edge of the sword, with the women and the children.
21:11 And this is the thing that ye shall do, Ye shall utterly destroy every male, and every woman that hath lain by man.
21:12 And they found among the inhabitants of Jabeshgilead four hundred young virgins, that had known no man by lying with any male: and they brought them unto the camp to Shiloh, which is in the land of Canaan.
21:13 And the whole congregation sent some to speak to the children of Benjamin that were in the rock Rimmon, and to call peaceably unto them.
21:14 And Benjamin came again at that time; and they gave them wives which they had saved alive of the women of Jabeshgilead: and yet so they sufficed them not.
21:15 And the people repented them for Benjamin, because that the LORD had made a breach in the tribes of Israel.
21:16 Then the elders of the congregation said, How shall we do for wives for them that remain, seeing the women are destroyed out of Benjamin?
21:17 And they said, There must be an inheritance for them that be escaped of Benjamin, that a tribe be not destroyed out of Israel.
21:18 Howbeit we may not give them wives of our daughters: for the children of Israel have sworn, saying, Cursed be he that giveth a wife to Benjamin.
21:19 Then they said, Behold, there is a feast of the LORD in Shiloh yearly in a place which is on the north side of Bethel, on the east side of the highway that goeth up from Bethel to Shechem, and on the south of Lebonah.
21:20 Therefore they commanded the children of Benjamin, saying, Go and lie in wait in the vineyards;
21:21 And see, and, behold, if the daughters of Shiloh come out to dance in dances, then come ye out of the vineyards, and catch you every man his wife of the daughters of Shiloh, and go to the land of Benjamin.
21:22 And it shall be, when their fathers or their brethren come unto us to complain, that we will say unto them, Be favourable unto them for our sakes: because we reserved not to each man his wife in the war: for ye did not give unto them at this time, that ye should be guilty.
21:23 And the children of Benjamin did so, and took them wives, according to their number, of them that danced, whom they caught: and they went and returned unto their inheritance, and repaired the cities, and dwelt in them.
21:24 And the children of Israel departed thence at that time, every man to his tribe and to his family, and they went out from thence every man to his inheritance.


Numbers 31:7-18

31:7 And they warred against the Midianites, as the LORD commanded Moses; and they slew all the males.
31:8 And they slew the kings of Midian, beside the rest of them that were slain; namely, Evi, and Rekem, and Zur, and Hur, and Reba, five kings of Midian: Balaam also the son of Beor they slew with the sword.
31:9 And the children of Israel took all the women of Midian captives, and their little ones, and took the spoil of all their cattle, and all their flocks, and all their goods.
31:10 And they burnt all their cities wherein they dwelt, and all their goodly castles, with fire.
31:11 And they took all the spoil, and all the prey, both of men and of beasts.
31:12 And they brought the captives, and the prey, and the spoil, unto Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and unto the congregation of the children of Israel, unto the camp at the plains of Moab, which are by Jordan near Jericho.
31:13 And Moses, and Eleazar the priest, and all the princes of the congregation, went forth to meet them without the camp.
31:14 And Moses was wroth with the officers of the host, with the captains over thousands, and captains over hundreds, which came from the battle.
31:15 And Moses said unto them, Have ye saved all the women alive?
31:16 Behold, these caused the children of Israel, through the counsel of Balaam, to commit trespass against the LORD in the matter of Peor, and there was a plague among the congregation of the LORD.
31:17 Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
31:18 But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.


Deuteronomy 20:10-14

20:10 When thou comest nigh unto a city to fight against it, then proclaim peace unto it.
20:11 And it shall be, if it make thee answer of peace, and open unto thee, then it shall be, that all the people that is found therein shall be tributaries unto thee, and they shall serve thee.
20:12 And if it will make no peace with thee, but will make war against thee, then thou shalt besiege it:
20:13 And when the LORD thy God hath delivered it into thine hands, thou shalt smite every male thereof with the edge of the sword:
20:14 But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself; and thou shalt eat the spoil of thine enemies, which the LORD thy God hath given thee.

What kind of God approves of murder, rape, and slavery?

The answer is that there is nothing of that but they are the lies of ppl who changed the bible .... the praise for god because he promised that he will protect His last book (Quran) .


You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20

Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10

Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16

Kill everyone who has religious views that are different than your own. Deuteronomy 17:2-7

Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13

Kill any false prophets. Deuteronomy 18:20

Any city that doesn’t “receive” the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. Mark 6:11

Jude reminds us that God destroys those who don’t believe in him. Jude 5


There are a lot of examples about the Evil in bible but I think -with pure intention - that the christians don't know , I don't think that they ignore .

Islam is the solution :

[Al-Baqarah 2:256]"There is no compulsion in religion. Verily, the Right Path has become distinct from the wrong path. Whoever disbelieves in Tâghût and believes in Allâh, then he has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that will never break. And Allâh is All-Hearer, All-Knower. "
read about Islam :
www.islamonline.net

understanding islam and muslims http://www.islamicity.com/Mosque/uiatm/un_islam.htm





All the ppl are equal in this place -the mosque - whether they were rich or poor or saudis , indians , pakistanis ,japaneses , americans , arabs or not arabs .

[Al-Hujurat 49:13]"O mankind! We have created you from a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Verily, the most honourable of you with Allâh is that (believer) who has At-Taqwa [i.e. one of the Muttaqûn (pious - see V.2:2). Verily, Allâh is All-Knowing, All-Aware. "

That large number of people looks like when the AntiChrist arrives and sits in the temple claiming to be God and deceives the whole world into worshipping Him except the number of people will far far greater! when he comes to this world!

[Alexei]

That large number of people looks like when the AntiChrist arrives and sits in the temple claiming to be God and deceives the whole world into worshipping Him except the number of people will far far greater! when he comes to this world!

Why did the descendants of Abraham in the Holy Bible choose a stone to perform their religious service on or around it? (Genesis 28:10-22, Genesis 35, Genesis 31:45-55).


Alexei

[Omega]

Acts 20:31 - Therefore watch, and remember, that by the space of three years I ceased not to warn every one night and day with tears.


The AntiChrist will arrive on the scene in due time.
The Secret meeting in the heavens where God{Christ} takes his bride home draws near, will you be part of it?

GOD BLESS!

[Omega]

Hello Alexei!

Why did the descendants of Abraham in the Holy Bible choose a stone to perform their religious service on or around it? (Genesis 28:10-22, Genesis 35, Genesis 31:45-55).

And he called the name of that place Bethel: but the name of that city was called Luz at the first.Genesis 28:19

Bethel means "House of God" It was the name given by Jacob to the place where he met God. It was also called LUZ. The city was on the boundary between Benjamin and Ephraim in the time of ancient Israel.The burning of the city during the Israelite conquest has been been verified by charred debris as much as 5 feet thick. It was later rebuilt and served as a royal sanctuary for Jeroboam's cult worship in the early monarchy {1 KINGS 12:26-33;2 CHR. 13:8-9}

That has nothing to do with what I had posted about the AntiChrist!

It is written:2 Thessalonians 2:1-17 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness. But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle. Now our Lord Jesus Christ himself, and God, even our Father, which hath loved us, and hath given us everlasting consolation and good hope through grace, Comfort your hearts, and stablish you in every good word and work.


Can you see or not?

God Bless!

[Alexei]

That large number of people looks like when the AntiChrist arrives and sits in the temple claiming to be God and deceives the whole world into worshipping Him except the number of people will far far greater! when he comes to this world!

It's absolutley correct if we look at this picture:




Alexei

[Alexei]

http://www.greatestcities.com/users/cbr ... e/Vatican/

[Alpha]

Alexei, it seems like God will not allow you to put the picture on this site, but rather let you use a link..a sign?..Not out of the realm of possibility. After all, you Muslims(on this forum) do follow after signs don't you?

[Omega]

Matthew 16:4 - A wicked and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given unto it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas. And he left them, and departed.

[Alexei]

Alexei, it seems like God will not allow you to put the picture on this site, but rather let you use a link..a sign?..Not out of the realm of possibility. After all, you Muslims(on this forum) do follow after signs don't you?

Yeah, here come the Christian fairy tales and superstitions


Alexei

[Omega]

Alexei, it seems like God will not allow you to put the picture on this site, but rather let you use a link..a sign?..Not out of the realm of possibility. After all, you Muslims(on this forum) do follow after signs don't you?

Yeah, here come the Christian fairy tales and superstitions


Alexei

Christian superstition?
Yeah, ok
WE know whats going on here!

[Alpha]

Alright, let us get back to topic. Alexei, you did not answer my question:

If the verses in the Qu'ran are not interpreted to mean anything in a violent way towards people outside of Islam, would you then agree with me that those verses you posted about violence in the Bible does not mean that Christianity promotes violence? (I know that you Muslims posted those verses from the Bible as a defense against the claims made on your religion, but I would just like you to answer the question I made outside of these brackets).