Endurance wrote:Omega. Hear me out on this.
You know what Endurance, you certainly have a way of re-defining your words to AVOID an apology. I have much more important things to do in ministry than waste my time with someone who will NEVER EVER admit their accusations. Do I have to spell it out for you?
Who will never admit to their accusations?
Yes, I'm waiting for you to spell it out. Think about this and please just try to hear me out and understand what I'm saying here. Just take the time to understand what I'm thinking. Remember the wise do listen and respond with understanding.
Here is an example how you re-define your words to AVOID an apology"
When you say I'm redifining my words, you must expalain how they are being redefined, or you have no proof. Let's look and see if you've done this. Done what? Proven I've redefined my words.
Endurance wrote:
If that love were real, you would have no problem taking the time to explain what you are saying or have a problem with. What parent or brother, ignores a request for clarification from those whom he/she loves. So please don't treat me like I'm ignorant by saying your response is with concern, b/c it clearly is not...
Endurance wrote:
NO, you began by saying I called you a liar. But I said your love is untrue. Now if you take that as me calling you a liar because I don't believe you, then every person that said something to you and you did not believe them, that means you have called them a liar, right? But that is not the case is it? If by chance that is the case, my heart and mind does not operate like that friend.
Now that you have said I redefine my words. You have to explain how this is redefining itself. Otherwise you have just qouted me. But you have not shown you understand what it being said. Rather than saying how this is me redefining my words, this you say...
Try as you may to find a loophole in your accusations, I'm through. The LORD speaks to me with and I was told that the Enemy will try and take me apart by having me waste my time with you on this thread, which BTW brought me nothing but stress and misery. So you go ahead as usual and feel free to post what you like about me, OR find another method to avoid how you accused me of being a liar.
You have not said how they (my words) do. You say the LORD speaks through you? Does the Lord speak with wisdom and understanding? You have not shown wisdom or understanding in our encounters on here. Now let me tell you what my words mean. And if you disagree or feel they do not, show us how they do not say what I'm telling you
my own words mean. Let me explain and just hear me out...
Endurance wrote:
If that love were real, you would have no problem taking the time to explain what you are saying or have a problem with. What parent or brother, ignores a request for clarification from those whom he/she loves. So please don't treat me like I'm ignorant by saying your response is with concern, b/c it clearly is not...
Here is understanding of what is said friend... To say
IF that love were real, what does that mean? The love is not real, correct? Friend, what is the italicized statement? I apologize for not putting a question mark. But I thought you might notice that
What is usaully the beginning of a question. Am I not asking you, how are you showing that love, you claim you have for me? Now (indicating with that being said), looking at the first sentence we see me stating that if you truly loved me, you would explain the error to me. Understand, I'm not making random statements but addressing an issue. I made a statement, then asked how do your actions manifest the love you claim you have. Examples are given of love (A mother or caring sibling/friend will explain. Your works are no manifestation of love friend. So I tell you please don't treat me ignorantly
by expecting me to believe you love (have pure concern for) me, when how you act does not display it. Which do you feel speaks louder?
Actions or words?
Endurance wrote:
NO, you began by saying I called you a liar. But I said your love is untrue. Now if you take that as me calling you a liar because I don't believe you, then every person that said something to you and you did not believe them, that means you have called them a liar, right? But that is not the case is it? If by chance that is the case, my heart and mind does not operate like that friend.
Now keep in mind what I'm addressing here...
I BEGAN by showing you clearly how you called me a liar, and this childish game you play is really beginning to pester me.
There is not ficticious claim in regards of apology, you said my love for you was untrue, CRYSTAL CLEAR, however your too high up on your horse to admit this and desparately try and find every fault under the sun to justify your self-righteous attitude
These are the two things I'm adressing, my qoute was between them, right? I'm saying, that it began by you saying I called you a liar, right?
have you posted me saying that once? No, you have not. But you say I said my love for you was untrue, that it is crystal clear, but I'm too high on my horse to admit this. Admit what? I said your love was untrue, right? Is that not what you are saying? Yet if you look at my post, you will see me saying that I've said it. I've put it in bold.
If I'm saying I said it and you don't accpet that as to admiting I've said it. How can I admit it to you?
Now the rest of it is saying:
Now if you take that as me calling you a liar because I don't believe you, then every person that said something to you and you did not believe them, that means you have called them a liar, right? But that is not the case is it? If by chance that is the case, my heart and mind does not operate like that friend.
Now, indicating with that being said (that I've said it and admitted to it), I'm telling you that if I don't believe you (
because your works don't show it), that does not mean that I've called you a liar. And I say, if this is the case (that not believing one's claims means you're calling them a liar),
that means everyone who says something to you and you don't believe them, you're calling them a liar. From there I ask, "but that's not the case is it (that not believing someone is calling them a liar)? I'm saying, but we know that this is not the case.
What is not the case? Not believing you is calling you a liar. That is not truth.
A short digressiong, if I may. Did I not say in a previous post, that I think you are deceiving yourself by believing you love me? Which is to say, that I think you believe you love me (are telling your own truth), but only deciving yourself. Is this calling you a liar? To say you believe that your love is true and therefore say you do, but your truth is the lie? That is not calling you a liar friend. If you disagree please explain why. My reasoning is that if you believe it, then you are telling what you believe to be true and therefore not intentionally lying of being a liar. Why is this not calling you a liar? Because you believe that it's true. But I don't believe what you call truth because what is in the heart is made manifest by the tongue and in life. You have not been manifesting love friend.
Back to the topic of explaing my words: the rest of the qoute is:
If by chance that is the case, my heart and mind does not operate like that friend
I am saying that if by chance you feel that it is the case. what is the case? That not believing you is calling you a liar, right? I'm saying, if you feel that I'm calling you a liar because I don't believe you (note: I've already told you why and shown you how you do not manifest the love you claim), that my mind does not operate in that way. What way? To say that not believing someone is calling them a liar.
Do feel that you are calling a person a liar when you don't believe them? Omega please. I'm sure you do not.
So why do you say I'm calling you a liar because I don't believe you. I have stated why I don't believe you, but have you stated any reason why I should believe you. Show your posts, where is love shining from your mouth in these posts and your others? What did Christ say His followers would be know by? Was it not their love? Why don't your ways manifest love, that you may be known? Is blaiming everyone else your justification? Is your faith in numbers (your 90%) or God (whom few find)
You see, I am not just passing your accusations back on you. I'm
explaining how I am
not guilty of calling you a liar and I have always admitted to saying that I said your love is untrue. Now, on to your accusations being false, you said:
Omega wrote: There is not ficticious claim in regards of apology, you said my love for you was untrue, CRYSTAL CLEAR, however your too high up on your horse to admit this and desparately try and find every fault under the sun to justify your self-righteous attitude
I have boldened that statement to show how you falsely accused me of not admiting, I said this and provided qoutes for me admitting to saying it. For the sake of the length of this alreay, instead of qouting everytime. I will simply go back and edit every post before your initial accusation (04/21/05) and bold me saying, I said it and saying it to show I've been admitting it, yet you accuse me of being too prideful to admit it.
If saying, I said it is not admiting to it, and saying it over and over again is not acknowdledging I said it, tell me how am I supposed to admit to it and I will...
With Love,
Snipe