Did you know jesus didnt die on a cross?
Did you know jesus didnt die on the cross,but STAUROS an upright pale or stake.(AND YES THERE IS A DIFFERENCE)
So your asking whats the differnts.
So hows does this have to do with revelation.
well its part of the beast whore.
read below and see why the church has more power then you think.
More proof that it is the church.
The Cross—
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An Idol Around Your Neck
By:
M G
"What do you believe?"
"I believe in Jesus Christ. And that he died on a cross. What about you?"
"Oh, I believe in Christ Jesus, but I don't think he died on a cross."
"You don't! Why not?"
"Let me tell you why. The reason Jesus didn't die on a cross is...."
What did Jesus die on? As we looked into this conversation we noticed that one believed Jesus
died on a two beamed cross, the other did not. What did they believe Jesus died on then? A
simple wooden stake, like you would use for building a fence. But why does this person believe
this and not the traditional cross that many "Christians" use? Let us examine this and learn
more.
—The Origins of the Cross—
What were the origins of the cross? Everything had a start, so what was the start of the cross?
It all dates back to the evil nation that Nimrod had set up in defiance of God. The nation of
Babel, or Babylon. Yes, the very center of pagan worship. Nimrod was the great grandson of
Noah, the faithful worshipper of Jehovah God. He and six others were spared when the great
global Flood washed all the evil off the earth. They were kept safe in the Ark that Noah spent
upwards of 40 years building.
Nimrod is called "mighty hunter in opposition to Jehovah." (NWT) He was skilled in the art of
killing. He killed many animals for fun, for game. Not to eat, but just to kill. It has even been
suggested that he even hunted humans for sport. In Genesis chapter 10 we read how Nimrod
set up his kingdom, the kingdom of Babel (Babylon), starting with the tower of Babel. Here was
the beginnings of the pagan teachings that later spread all over the world like wildfire.
At that tower of Babel, Nimrod organized all the people into one general area, a means of
keeping them there so that they could be his subjects and he could be their king. This did not
set well with Jehovah God Almighty, so he confused the languages. The people were split up by
the loss of the mother tongue. Groups were formed with those who spoke the same language,
and since no one could understand each other, the building of the tower was abandoned. Many
dispersed, but when they did they took their religious ideas with them. Things such as the
immortal soul, eternal punishment and things of that sort.
So, here was Nimrod, his construction project was halted, his people were leaving, and all
because of Jehovah God. How did this make him feel? Not very happy. He stepped up his
efforts to become a mighty king. His city grew and subjects grew, his religion got worse. It is
said that Nimrod married his mother, and fathered some children. When he died, his mother-wife
proclaimed that he had become a mighty pine tree. Some suggest that the god Tammuz is
actually Nimrod deified. The mystic symbol for the god Tammuz was the Tau, or T. This T
became the symbol used in all religious worship in Babylon. As Babylon got bigger its ideas
spread more over the earth, and the symbol Tau, (T) was even found in ancient Aztec ruins.
The Tau was the basis for what is now called the "cross" taken from the Latin "crux". "The shape
of the [two-beamed cross] had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the
god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in that country and in
adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the churches had either
departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the
prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from
regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence
the Tau or T, in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for
the cross of Christ."—An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words (London, 1962), W. E.
Vine, p. 256.
We can see that the Babylonians were the first to use a cross in worship. This is much the same
as with today, the Catholic Church and many Protestant and Orthodox churches use the cross,
they either wear it around their neck, or display it in their buildings.
"It is strange, yet unquestionably a fact, that in ages long before the birth of Christ, and since
then in lands untouched by the teaching of the Church, the Cross has been used as a sacred
symbol. . . . The Greek Bacchus, the Tyrian Tammuz, the Chaldean Bel, and the Norse Odin,
were all symbolized to their votaries by a cruciform device."—The Cross in Ritual, Architecture,
and Art (London, 1900), G. S. Tyack, p. 1.
The people of the ancient lands used the cross in worship, some, like the Egyptians used it in
Phallus worship, or, worship of the male sex organ. It was used as a symbol of fertility. "Various
figures of crosses are found everywhere on Egyptian monuments and tombs, and are considered
by many authorities as symbolical either of the phallus [a representation of the male sex organ]
or of coition. . . . In Egyptian tombs the crux ansata [cross with a circle or handle on top] is found
side by side with the phallus."—A Short History of Sex-Worship (London, 1940), H. Cutner, pp.
16, 17; see also The Non-Christian Cross, p. 183.
As I have said before, the cross was used in pagan lands, The Ancient Church by clergyman W.
D. Killen says, on page 316: "From the most remote antiquity the cross was venerated in Egypt
and Syria; it was held in equal honour by the Buddhists of the East; and, what is still more
extraordinary, when the Spaniards first visited America, the well-known sign was found among
the objects of worship in the idol temples of Anahuac. It is also remarkable that, about the
commencement of our era, the pagans were wont to make the sign of a cross upon the forehead
in the celebration of some of their sacred mysteries." The origin of the cross is indeed very
pagan.
Author Baring-Gould in his book Curious Myths of the Middle Ages: "In the state of Oaxaca
[Mexico], the Spaniards found that wooden crosses were erected as sacred symbols . . . In South
America, the same sign was considered symbolical and sacred. It was revered in Paraguay. In
Peru the Incas honoured a cross made out of a single piece of jasper . . . Among the Muyscas at
Cumana the cross . . . was believed to be endued with power to drive away evil spirits;
consequently new-born children were placed under the sign." The cross has been accredited as
having mystic powers all over the world.
"Various objects, dating from periods long anterior to the Christian era, have been found, marked
with crosses of different designs, in almost every part of the old world. India, Syria, Persia and
Egypt have all yielded numberless examples . . . The use of the cross as a religious symbol in
pre-Christian times and among non-Christian peoples may probably be regarded as almost
universal, and in very many cases it was connected with some form of nature
worship."—Encyclopædia Britannica (1946), Vol. 6, p. 753.
It is interesting to note the similarities between the Catholic Pope parading down the street
holding that big ol' crucifix of his on a stick and what the Egyptian priests did. "The cross in the
form of the 'Crux Ansata' . . . was carried in the hands of the Egyptian priests and Pontiff kings as
the symbol of their authority as priests of the Sun god and was called 'the Sign of Life.'"—The
Worship of the Dead (London, 1904), Colonel J. Garnier, p. 226.
This was during large gatherings and such. So, as we can see the origins of the cross are
pagan. They were used in pagan religions long before the death of Christ. The cross that we
know now is actually the first letter of the Babylonian Tammuz, the Tau, which was carried by the
Babylonian priest so many years ago. Why is there such a similarity between today's "Christian"
churches and those of Egypt, Babylon, and others? Let us now examine what the Greek word
for "cross" really means.
—The Greek Word—
What it Really Means
First, what is the Greek word for "cross"? The Greek word for cross is stauros. That word
literally means a stake, an upright pole that you would use to hang something on. But, if that is
what it means, then why do the modern crosses have two-beams that intersect? Mainly because
of the pagan religions that abounded in the early years of Christianity.
The History of Christianity, by Peter Eckler said: "If Paganism was conquered by Christianity, it is
equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism...Many of the pagan tenets, invented by
the Egyptians and idealized by Plato, were retained as being worthy of belief." So, we can see
that things such as the cross were kept because the former pagans who are now bishops in what
was suppose to be Christianity felt that their old beliefs were still good enough to keep, and
guess what, they kept them. So, let us now look at what the Greek word stauros and the Latin
crux really mean.
The Companion Bible Part V. The Gospels, published by the Oxford University Press, then turn
to its Appendix No. 162 entitled "The Cross and Crucifixion" (page 186). After a lengthy
discussion of considerable evidence the article concludes: "The evidence is thus complete, that
the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, and not on two pieces of timber placed at any
angle."
The Encyclopædia Britannica, 11th Edition, says: "Lipsius and other writers speak of the single
upright stake to which criminals were bound as a cross, and to such a stake the name of crux
simplex has been applied." It was this simple stake that Jesus was hanged on with his hands
nailed above his head.
The book The Non-Christian Cross, by J. D. Parsons (London, 1896), says: "There is not a single
sentence in any of the numerous writings forming the New Testament, which, in the original
Greek, bears even indirect evidence to the effect that the stauros used in the case of Jesus was
other than an ordinary stauros; much less to the effect that it consisted, not of one piece of
timber, but of two pieces nailed together in the form of a cross. . . . It is not a little misleading
upon the part of our teachers to translate the word stauros as 'cross' when rendering the Greek
documents of the Church into our native tongue, and to support that action by putting 'cross' in
our lexicons as the meaning of stauros without carefully explaining that that was at any rate not
the primary meaning of the word in the days of the Apostles, did not become its primary
signification till long afterwards, and became so then, if at all, only because, despite the absence
of corroborative evidence, it was for some reason or other assumed that the particular stauros
upon which Jesus was executed had that particular shape."—Pp. 23, 24; see also The
Companion Bible (London, 1885), Appendix No. 162.
A Greek-English Lexicon, by Liddell and Scott, defines this as meaning: "Wood cut and ready for
use, firewood, timber, etc. . . . piece of wood, log, beam, post . . . cudgel, club . . . stake on which
criminals were impaled . . . of live wood, tree." It also says "in NT, of the cross," and cites Acts
5:30 and Ac 10:39 as examples. (Oxford, 1968, pp. 1191, 1192)
The Imperial Bible-Dictionary acknowledges this, saying: "The Greek word for cross, [stau·ros'],
properly signified a stake, an upright pole, or piece of paling, on which anything might be hung,
or which might be used in impaling [fencing in] a piece of ground. . . . Even amongst the Romans
the crux (from which our cross is derived) appears to have been originally an upright
pole."—Edited by P. Fairbairn (London, 1874), Vol. I, p. 376.
An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words by W. E. Vine states on page 256 of volume
one: "Stauros denotes, primarily, an upright pale or stake. On such malefactors were nailed for
execution. Both the noun and the verb stauro-o, to fasten to a stake or pale, are originally to be
distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed cross. The shape of the latter had its
origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the god Tammuz."
The Companion Bible, published by the Oxford University Press. On page 186 in the
"Appendixes" it says: "Homer uses the word stauros of an ordinary pole or stake, or a single
piece of timber. And this is the meaning and usage of the word throughout the Greek classics. It
never means two pieces of timber placed across one another at any angle, but always of one
piece alone. Hence the use of the word xulon [which means a timber] in connection with the
manner of our Lord's death, and rendered tree in Acts 5:30; 10:39; 13:29; Gal. 3:13; 1 Pet. 2:24.
. . . There is nothing in the Greek N.T. even to imply two pieces of timber. . . . The evidence is
thus complete, that the Lord was put to death upon an upright stake, and not on two pieces of
timber placed at any angle."
Das Kreuz und die Kreuzigung (The Cross and the Crucifixion), by Hermann Fulda, Breslau,
1878, p. 109, says: "Trees were not everywhere available at the places chosen for public
execution. So a simple beam was sunk into the ground. On this the outlaws, with hands raised
upward and often also with their feet, were bound or nailed." After submitting much proof, Fulda
concludes on pp. 219, 220: "Jesus died on a simple death-stake: In support of this there speak
(a) the then customary usage of this means of execution in the Orient, (b) indirectly the history
itself of Jesus' sufferings and (c) many expressions of the early church fathers."
The New Bible Dictionary says: "The Gk. word for 'cross' (staurós, verb stauróo) means primarily
an upright stake or beam, and secondarily a stake used as an instrument for punishment and
execution."
The Latin word used for the instrument on which Christ died was crux which, according to Livy, a
famous Roman historian of the first century C.E., means a mere stake. The Cyclopædia of
Biblical, Theological, and Ecclesiastical Literature says that the crux simplex was a "mere stake
'of one single piece without transom [crossbar].'"
Concerning the execution of punishment upon Jesus, P. W. Schmidt wrote on pp. 387-389:
"Beside scourging, according to the gospel accounts, only the simplest form of Roman crucifixion
comes into consideration for the infliction of punishment upon Jesus, the hanging of the unclad
body on a stake, which, by the way, Jesus had to carry or drag to the execution place to intensify
the disgraceful punishment. . . . Anything other than a simple hanging is ruled out by the
wholesale manner in which this execution was often carried out: 2000 at once by Varus (Jos.
Ant. XVII 10. 10), by Quadratus (Jewish Wars II 12. 6), by the Procurator Felix (Jewish Wars II
15. 2), by Titus (Jewish Wars VII. 1)."
A Comprehensive Dictionary of the Original Greek Words with their Precise Meanings for English
Readers states: "STAUROS . . . denotes, primarily, an upright pale or stake. On such
malefactors were nailed for execution." Similarly, the book The Non-Christian Cross observes:
"There is not a single sentence in any of the numerous writings forming the New Testament,
which, in the original Greek, bears even indirect evidence to the effect that the stauros used in
the case of Jesus was other than an ordinary stauros [pole or stake]; much less to the effect that
it consisted, not of one piece of timber, but of two pieces nailed together in the form of a cross."
Paul Wilhelm Schmidt, who was a professor at the University of Basel, in his work Die
Geschichte Jesu (The History of Jesus), Vol. 2, Tübingen and Leipzig, 1904, pp. 386-394, made
a detailed study of the Greek word stau·ros'. On p. 386 of his work he said: "staur¬V [stau·ros']
means every upright standing pale or tree trunk."
New Bible Dictionary of 1985 under "Cross," page 253: "The Gk. word for 'cross' (stauros; verb
stauroo . . . ) means primarily an upright stake or beam, and secondarily a stake used as an
instrument for punishment and execution."
W. E. Vine says on this subject: "STAUROS (staur¬V) denotes, primarily, an upright pale or
stake. On such malefactors were nailed for execution. Both the noun and the verb stauroo, to
fasten to a stake or pale, are originally to be distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two
beamed cross." Greek scholar Vine then mentions the Chaldean origin of the two-piece cross
and how it was adopted from the pagans by Christendom in the third century C.E. as a symbol of
Christ's impalement.—Vine's Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words, 1981, Vol.
1, p. 256.
The Latin dictionary by Lewis and Short gives as the basic meaning of crux "a tree, frame, or
other wooden instruments of execution, on which criminals were impaled or hanged."
The book Dual Heritage—The Bible and the British Museum states: "It may come as a shock to
know that there is no word such as 'cross' in the Greek of the New Testament. The word
translated 'cross' is always the Greek word [stau·ros'] meaning a 'stake' or 'upright pale.' The
cross was not originally a Christian symbol; it is derived from Egypt and Constantine."
If this is not enough, then please take a look at what Vines Expository Dictionary of the New
Testament says concerning the cross. Under the heading, "Cross, Crucify" we read:
"A-1, stauros, [Noun, 4716]
denotes, primarily, "an upright pale or stake." On such malefactors were nailed for
execution. Both the noun and the verb stauroo, "to fasten to a stake or pale," are
originally to be distinguished from the ecclesiastical form of a two beamed "cross." The
shape of the latter had its origin in ancient Chaldea, and was used as the symbol of the
god Tammuz (being in the shape of the mystic Tau, the initial of his name) in that
country and in adjacent lands, including Egypt. By the middle of the 3rd cent. A.D. the
churches had either departed from, or had travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian
faith. In order to increase the prestige of the apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were
received into the churches apart from regeneration by faith, and were permitted largely
to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T, in its most frequent form,
with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the "cross" of Christ.
As for the Chi, or X, which Constantine declared he had seen in a vision leading him to
champion the Christian faith, that letter was the initial of the word "Christ" and had
nothing to do with "the Cross" (for xulon, "a timber beam, a tree," as used for the stauros,
see under TREE).
The method of execution was borrowed by the Greeks and Romans from the
Phoenicians. The stauros denotes (a) "the cross, or stake itself," e.g., Matt. 27:32; (b)
"the crucifixion suffered," e.g., 1 Cor. 1:17,18, where "the word of the cross," RV, stands
for the Gospel; Gal. 5:11, where crucifixion is metaphorically used of the renunciation of
the world, that characterizes the true Christian life; Gal. 6:12,14; Eph. 2:16; Phil. 3:18.
The judicial custom by which the condemned person carried his stake to the place of
execution, was applied by the Lord to those sufferings by which His faithful followers
were to express their fellowship with Him, e.g., Matt. 10:38."
So, we can see that the Greek word for "cross" really means an upright stake, without a
cross-beam of any kind. The pseudo-christianity that arose after the death of the apostle John,
the last living apostle, decided to adopt the pagan symbol for the god Tammuz and keep it and
use it for worship in their so-called "church." We can see the pagan ties between the so-called
Christian church and the ancient pagan church.
—The Apostate Church—
At the beginning of the third century Minucius Felix [an early Church father] wrote to the pagans
in Octavius and revealed the attitude that early Christians had toward the cross up to that time.
He said: "Crosses, moreover, we neither worship nor wish for. You, indeed, who consecrate gods
of wood, adore wooden crosses perhaps as parts of your gods. . . . Your victorious trophies not
only imitate the appearance of a simple cross, but also that of a man affixed to it." (The
Ante-Nicene Fathers, Vol. 4, p. 191)
Notice, that this early church father said that they did not worship the cross. The pagans at that
time still used it, but this person Minucius Felix told them that they do NOT hold their cross in
honor in anyway. They did not have crosses and never thought of having one. Then how did
true Christianity become so pagan?
An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words by W. E. Vine states on page 256 of volume
one: "By the middle of the 3rd century A.D. the churches had either departed from, or had
travestied, certain doctrines of the Christian faith. In order to increase the prestige of the
apostate ecclesiastical system pagans were received into the churches apart from regeneration
by faith, and were permitted largely to retain their pagan signs and symbols. Hence the Tau or T,
in its most frequent form, with the cross-piece lowered, was adopted to stand for the cross of
Christ.
"In the Egyptian churches, the cross was a pagan symbol of life borrowed by the Christians and
interpreted in the pagan manner." The Encyclopœdia Britannica.
Evangelical-Lutheran State Church of Schleswig-Holstein, Die kirche der Heimat (The Church of
the Homeland), remarked in its issue of August 2, 1951: "Whether the cross on Golgotha had a
crossbar or not or whether it was just a plain stake, whether it had the T-form or whether it had a
crossbar placed across the upright stake is hardly possible to determine now."
The New Catholic Encyclopedia says: "The representation of Christ's redemptive death on
Golgotha does not occur in the symbolic art of the first Christian centuries. The early Christians,
influenced by the Old Testament prohibition of graven images, were reluctant to depict even the
instrument of the Lord's [death]. . . . The cross comes to be represented in the time of
Constantine."
"THE sign of the cross has been a symbol of great antiquity, present in nearly every known
culture. Its meaning has eluded anthropologists, though its use in funerary art could well point to
a defense against evil. On the other hand, the famous crux ansata of Egypt, depicted coming
from the mouth, must refer to life or breath. The universal use of the sign of the cross makes
more poignant the striking lack of crosses in early Christian remains, especially any specific
reference to the event on Golgotha. Most scholars now agree that the cross, as an artistic
reference to the passion event, cannot be found prior to the time of Constantine."—Ante
Pacem—Archaeological Evidence of Church Life Before Constantine (1985), by Professor
Graydon F. Snyder, page 27.
"There was no use of the crucifix," says one historian of the early Christians, "and no material
representation of the cross." History of the Christian Church, J. F. Hurst, Vol. I, p. 366.
—FLEE! RUN!!—
Flee from Idolatry:
Abandon the Pseudo-Christian
Churches Symbol
If you love your Christ, and any of this has touched you then you need to heed the warning in
1Cor. 10:14 it states: "My beloved ones, flee from idolatry." Idolatry is exactly what venerating
the cross is. If you hold it in high regard, hold it in your hands while you pray, bow your head to
it or wear it around your neck, then you are committing idolatry. We are told many times by God
that idolatry is wrong, and goes against him. Second Corinthians 6:17 says: "You come out
through the midst of them, and you be separated, says the Lord, and of the unclean thing do not
touch, and I will take you in."
Do not touch the unclean thing, the cross, whose pagan origins are so deeply ingrained in them
you can not remove it. Flee from the kingdom of pseudo-religion. "Come out of her my people in
order that you should not share together her sins and so that you should not receive her
plagues." Come out of false religion, the ones that teach you that a pagan symbol for sex
worship and a pagan god is what we should respect. "Do not be mislead" admonished the
apostle Paul, but "guard yourselves from idols."—1Cor. 15:33; 1John 5:17.
The early Christians did not think to have a crucifix or a cross hanging on their doors or in their
places of meeting. New Catholic Encyclopedia says: "The representation of Christ's redemptive
death on Golgotha does not occur in the symbolic art of the first Christian centuries. The early
Christians, influenced by the Old Testament prohibition of graven images, were reluctant to
depict even the instrument of the Lord's Passion."—(1967), Vol. IV, p. 486
A History of the Christian Church says: "There was no use of the crucifix and no material
representation of the cross."—(New York, 1897), J. F. Hurst, Vol. I, p. 366.
To use an illustration: If your best friend was stabbed in the heart and killed, or shot in the head,
would you wear a knife or a gun around your neck? Would you wont to hang that knife or gun up
on your wall? Most likely not. You would despise that weapon, you would never think about
doing that, but why is this different than the so-called "cross"? We know for one thing that Jesus
did not die on a two-beamed cross, so the churches have lied to us there. And we know its
pagan origins, which the churches try to cover up, yet another lie on their part. Why would we
wear one or even own one? Please, lets not wear any symbol that is supposed to stand for our
Lords method of death, he being our very best friend.
I have given you the truth about the matter, now it is up to you to decide what is best for you, but
head the warning of the apostle Peter:
"For it was better for them not to have accurately know the way of righteousness than having
accurately known and turned away from the holy commandment delivered to them. The saying
of the true proverb has happened to them: 'The dog has returned to his own vomit and the sow
having been bathed to rolling in dung.'"
—2Peter 2:22—
Yes, just remember this; that if "anyone, then, who knows the right thing to do and fails to do it,
commits sin." (James 4:17, NRSV) Yes, you now know what is right, and if you don't do it then
you, my friends, are committing a sin.
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So did you know that????
I learn the more you study the bible and history it becomes more clear..
DONT YOU AGREE..