hey Aineo.............
I suggest you study some real history before you continue with your assumptions. The Trinity was defined by Greeks at the 1st Council of Nicaea in 325 A.D. Prior to this council professed Christians believed God is one, God is two, and God is three. However, Jesus and his apostles believed and taught that God is one. Therefore, the Trinity became a central tenet of Christianity about 300 years after the resurrection. Unitarians (those who believe in the oneness of God) have been around since the time of the apostles.
i've asked you about that Cus there are christians believe that God is 3 in one ................they are the copts in Egypt.......they believe in 3 in one ............for that i've asked you about the trinity.............
Now don’t take this comment as an insult but if you understood English
man...... i've told ya that i make wrongs when i talk English..........my mom says.....you talk english by your mind not your tongue........that means i anderstand what i wanna talk then i spell it out......and that makes wrongs with my english.......and i've learnt english when i was a little kid and i didnt use it as well until the age of 13............and i've told ya there are alot of wrongs in my spelling................
and about itself..........i meant the speach of John....not John {PBUH}
the speach of John ignoring itself...........itself refering for the speach......
you are doing the very thing you accuse Christians of doing and that is perverting the book that Allah claims to be his words.
waht you mean????? i can prove that quran is the word of God......jsut ask any Q. about it and ill answer .............any Q. awaiting.............
Did Jesus baptize in the Holy Spirit? I suggest you study the Bible before you continue posting ignorance. The word baptize means to immerse and Jesus “immersed” his disciples in the Holy Spirit in John 20:22. After this event the Holy Spirit came on the disciples with power on the day of Pentecost as recorded in Acts 2.
aha.....Got ya....why?????? so jesus appeared for his student ........tell me How were they??????i mean how many student have seen jesus after his resurrection????????and ill tell ya why i've asked this just answer my Q.
The comforter is the Holy Spirit, which is the power of God given to all those who by faith accept Jesus Christ as the Savior. The comforter was given to the whole church on the Day of Pentecost
okAy you said the comforter is the holy spirit..........lets see the verses againg...........
Jhn 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
Jhn 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
Jhn 16:9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
see........the comforter will come after jesus ......but we all know that the holy spirit came with jesus in several times and the closer event tells this......when the holy spirit came to mary {PBUH}
Mat 1:18 ¶ Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the
Holy Ghost.
jhn 1:29
"I have beheld the
Spirit descending as a dove out of heaven"
look .the bible tells that the holy spirit came with jesus........but jesus said if i go not ..the comforter will not come......so the comforter is not the holy spirit...............another evidance......
jesus {PBUH} said :"he will reprove the world of sin" did the holy spirit do that??????
and jesus also said : "because they believe not on me" so....if jews didnt believe in jesus himself............how will they believe in th holy spirit???without miracles???????they will not believe ....so God will send another miracle..................to believe in God........ because God loves the human...........and another miracle needs another prophet..................
and also jesus said that the comforter will reproach the world.......and he will talk and will shout on the face of the world...........did the holy spirit do that???????................these Qs. need answers.......................
I am well aware of the fact the majority of Jews rejected their own Messiah. In fact this rejection of the Messiah is prophesied in Psalms 22 and other Scriptures. However the final redemption of the Jews is also prophesied in the OT as well as the NT. I am not going to take the time to post all the Scriptures that show this to be true since you have failed to comment on the three I gave you in a prior post. God will redeem the nation of Israel just before and immediately after the great tribulation when all Israel’s enemies are destroyed by the power of God. You need to read all of Ezekiel not just those portions that fit your agenda.
so ......if jews refused the messieh God will break his covenant with david and i've showed that.....and i told ya about the trees and the axe.........
and if portions fit with my agenda and ezekiel does not so how do you explaine that??????some fir some does not??????
God says i will break my covenant if they dont accept the messieh
and in ezekiel says what disagrees with the other verses???how ??PLz explaine....................
and about politics lets forget about it............okAy we're discussing faith and religion..............okAy??????PLz forget about it......................
Also what you quoted concerning Islam only confirms that Muslims are allowed to lie
lol ........!!!!!! how ????? i gave you alot of hadiths talking about lying and i gave you the Q. and the answer from shaikh al-monjed.......the answer says ..........cheating and lying is HARAAM which means ill-gotten ..........
and ill type the hadith again................
and also read this hadith :
the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The signs of the hypocrite are three: when he speaks, he lies, when he makes a promise he breaks it, and when he is entrusted with something he breaks that trust.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 32; Muslim, 89.
muhammad [PBUH] made teh liar like the hypocrite and read from Quran what does hypocrite mean.............
read surrah 63 the hypocrites...........
Introduction:
In The Name of Allah AL-Rahman and AL-Rahim (The Merciful,)
Some people professed Islam while in effect, deep down in their hearts they were insincere. Whenever they met true Muslims, they pretended faith in the Messenger. Allah cautions His Messenger against them and instructs him to take a certain action.
The Surah describes the enemy in the likeness of a friend -the hypocrite- It induces people to spend in benevolence before the encounter with death and indicates that Nature has written a letter of Credit upon the faces of the Messenger and his followers.
Verse 1
1- O you the Messenger: when the hypocrites come to you they say: « we attest that you are the Messenger of Allah» and Allah knows well that you are His Messenger, but deep down in their hearts they are insincere. Allah asserts that the hypocrites are untruthful, deceitful and their aim untrue;
Verse 2
2- They use their oaths to hide, under the garb of truth, their extreme vanity Many among the believers were deceived, and the hypocrite's policy achieved its necessary ends. In consequence they have blocked the path of Allah, the path of righteousness, and persistently opposed the progress in purpose and in action. Evil indeed is the way they have conducted themselves in life.
Verse 3
3- They adopted the faith and then they dropped it -Simpletons- their hearts' ears are closed and their breasts are filled with irreverence imposed upon their hearts by the evil hand.
Verse 4
An enemy in the likeness of a friend
4- If you see them you admire their physical or material frames, their looks speak affection and their discourse speaks their presence, and when they speak they speak all cream, skimmed, and they speak sense that you cannot help but open to them your heart's ears, while in effect their words are flattering and hollow, devoid of belief, just as hollow stems of trees are devoid of life. Prompted by sense of quiet and by anxiety for their safety, they are vulnerable and susceptible to a physical force, they are susceptible to a loud cry be it uttered in approbation or denunciation. They are the avowed enemy; beware of them; Allah condemns them in as much as they are worth. How could they deviate from the path of righteousness to the path of vanity!
Verse 5
Following the Messenger's emigration from Macca to Madina with his followers, Abu Sufian or probably Ibn ?baii -leader of the hypocrites in the town of Madina- quit town with some of his associates in contempt of the Messenger and his followers. When asked to come back to Madina to Iron out differences amicably with the Messenger, he dignifiedly refused.
5- When they -the hypocrites- are told to come back to the Messenger to invoke, on their behalf Allah's mercy and forgiveness, they turn their heads in contempt and you see them objecting with inordinate self- esteem.
Verse 6
Now Allah tells His Messenger that heaven shall not lend grace to such persons.
6- The conclusion of all this is one and the same viz: whether you invoke on their behalf Allah's forgiveness or you do not, Allah shall not forgive them. He does not impress piety on the hearts of the wicked.
Verse 7
7- It was they who said to the people: «Wherefore do you spend money on those accompanied by Allah's Messenger -who emigrated with him to Madina- and spend yourselves in their cause?» «Put a stop,» they said, «and refrain from spending on them until they have forsaken him and quitted Madina». But to Allah, be it known, belongs the rightful possession of treasuries of the heavens and the earth; but the hypocrites do nod comprehend this as a fact.
Verse 8
Again the man in question, be it Sufian or Ubaii, insultingly claimed that if his people returned to Madina, they as nobles, would expel those immigrants whom they viewed as lowly.
8- They say: «If we should return to Madina, the one with nobility in his nature and nobility is native to him, shall displace and oust the base who is nobody».
But, be it known, that worship is an attribute to Allah and so is honour and nature has written a letter of credit upon the faces of the Messenger and those who believe, with hearts impressed with the image of religious and spiritual virtues, that such a letter is honoured wherever presented, but the hypocrites fail to realize this fact.
Verse 9
A warning and an admonition to the believers and to all concerned to let nothing nor anyone distract their minds from Allah and to spend in benevolence before the encounter with death, which event shall never be Postponed. « Men wallow in wealth and forget Allah ».
9- O you whose hearts reflect the image of religious and spiritual virtues: Let not your wealth nor your progeny distract your minds and attention from remembering Allah and keeping Him in mind. He who is allured by his wealth or his progeny to neglect his duty and obligations to Allah shall he and such persons incur the privation of hope and suffer loss.
Verse 10
10- And spend in benefaction and in benevolence of what We have given you, before the encounter with death occasions anyone of you and then he says «My Creator, if only you would delay my death for a while, I will seize my opportunity to be liberal in my benefactions and engage in deeds imprinted with wisdom and piety.
Verse 11
11- But Allah shall not delay the death of a soul when its time is fulfilled; and Allah is well acquainted with what the bosoms store of thoughts and feelings and with all that you do.
so............i've showed you when can we lie.......
and i showed you that making peace doesnot disagree with good manners...........and i showed you that lying without a reason makes you a hypocrite.............and i showed you a surrah talking about the hypocrites ..................and i showed you hadiths about lying......
so..............StOp TaLkiNg AboUt ThIs ThInG cUs YoU'rE rEfUsInG tHe TrUtH aBoUt LyInG iN iSlAm...........i showed you that islam does not allowed us to lie every time ...the hadith is clear...........we cant lie except in three positions..............okAy ??? clear?????????
and tell me when you finish this section ....Cus i wanna discuss the wrongs in the bible.........okAy???????
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