Trinity DebateBefore Abraham Was,I AMAineo wrote: how old are you? i think your memory may be failing you. very little of what you're saying is making sense anymore. you posted where i said i disagree with some "Trinitarians". AND??? if their ideas are wrong, then i reject them. simple as that. now that ties into what i JUST NOW SAID: "Proverbs 8 is not speaking of Christ". that's not rejecting a "Messianic Prophecy". that's rejecting what YOU and many other false thinkers call a "Messianic Prophecy". so please explain to me how i'm contradicting myself. is it because i'm saying that i don't reject the "Messianic Prophecies", and yet i reject Proverbs 8 as a "Messianic Prophecy"? it's only a contradiction if Proverbs 8 really IS a Messianic Prophecy. it's not, so there's no contradiction there. so put that argument AWAY. it's just wasting time. sure i do. please stop your lying. God gave John the vision. easy question. what you ignore is that IN THE VISION Jesus calls Himself the Alpha and Omega, a title that YOU said only God has or uses for Himself. John turns around when he hears the voice and sees Christ. Who gave Him the vision is not the point here. the point is that IN THE VISION, Jesus is talking to John, and He calls Himself the Alpha and Omega. the fact that God is giving the vision is even MORE evidence that Jesus is calling Himself the Alpha and Omega. Who's in the Vision? Jesus and John. this supports our belief. this clinches it. there's nothing else you can say here aside from sheer desparation. you said only the Father is called the Alpha and Omega. if Jesus uses that title for Himself, then you're wrong. He does here, so you're wrong. dude, memory again man. where did i say "One Church"? i said "One Body". why don't you argue with what i ACTUALLY say, instead of what i DON'T say. stop settin' up strawmen. of course "Church" is compound. a church is an assembly or gathering of people. the word itself is compound. but the words "One Body" isn't necessarily compound, and neither is "One Flesh", but it is in Scripture. i wonder when you're actually gonna accept that and stop trying to find backdoors of escape. and i've done NONE of that. right. like i said, you seem to be orthodox on everything else that you're saying, except this crucial issue. if Jesus is the Word then He DID preexist creation (John 1:1). not to mention: and you seem to be trying so hard to argue against me, that you're making a mockery of what the Bible teaches. you're trying so hard to support your ideas that you're making simple mistakes now. all the verses that talk about the Creation say that everything was made through HIM. and in John 21:17, He does know all things. you misunderstand what it means that Jesus was fully human and emptied Himself to become human. it wasn't until after his resurrection that He was attributed omniscience again. in Luke 2:52 we see that Jesus kept increasing in knowledge and wisdom. He was human. clearly you don't understand the term "Begging the question". i didn't presuppose what i was trying to prove. you believe i misapplied my application. get it right. however, i wasn't referring to that verse. i was referring to the verse in John where Jesus says to honor Him as we Honor the Father. if God won't give His glory to another, how can Jesus get the same honor and glory? we're talking about GOD, not MAN. no one gets the same honor and glory as God except GOD. which is why it seems so unlikely that these committed Jews would borrow ideas from Pagan Greek society and thinking, like you believe John does in John 1:1. you're inconsistent. clearly you don't fully understand the Trinity concept. God coming to earth as a man to save those He loves and shows mercy for is not blasphemy. exalting a created being to the status of God, or giving him similar praise and honor and worship and glory IS. |
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