Christian/Muslim ThreadsCatholicism says Bible is false just like muslims sayI challenged Abdallah (Abdallah qoutes it here): Abdallah replied: Kai replies: So you have no clue or insight into the matter and yet to present yourself as an expert, or what? What exactly do the Archibishops find? The stuff you posted, or what these archibishops of yours proposed was liberal theology, that is a certain faction of Christian theology which is critical (DO I NEED TO REPEAT THIS AGAIN), it is nothing new, in fact as I have already mentioned, I AM STUDYING LIBERAL THEOLOGY, and what it is, is nothing but a packet of theory and speculation, it builds upon the theology (if I can call it like theology) of the Deist movement, who perceive God as distant, in other words, there are no prophets, revelations or miracles, God simply began the origin of the university, the rest is Darwinian; does this sink in Abdallah? THE STUFF YOU ARE BRINGING UP IS A THEORY!!!!!! It presents nothing new, and if you look closer into it, then there are hundreds of theories within liberal theology, so which one is the correct one. Even more if you accept this kind of reasoning and historical methods then the Koran will sink along with it; hence if you accept the theory of these scholars you cannot remain a Muslim!!!!! Is that sinking in????? You additionally seem to think that the Catholics have monopoly upon Christian theology, which is absolute nonsense, some of the best theologians are scholars are born-again Christians, e.g. F.F. Bruce, Gleason Archer, etc, these are scholars, and they will not be in agreement with these scholars of yours. Thirdly, I doubt these Catholic scholars answer for every faction within the Catholic church, that is again a fallacy of yours. As I see, you have simply read some articles, and as you admit yourself, you have never studied the matters, and then without any further insight you want to educate me which scholars are the most accurate; may only advise is: go back and do some study; first of all get at grasp of the various factions within theological study, in which not all are Christians, and in which there are several factions who have very special agendas. HOWEVER YOU DID NOT REFUTE MY CHALLENGE, I ASKED YOU TO PRESENT TO ME THE CONTRADICTIONS WITHIN THE FIRST TWO PASSAGES OF GENESIS; I AM STILL WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY BRO???????? I (Kai) wrote to Abdallah: Abdallah replied: Kai replies: Is that correct? May I challenge you to read Ali Dashti’s book 23 Years, A study of the Prophetic Career of Mohammad. I am sure you can buy or order it on the internet. Ali Dashti was one of the worlds best scholars of Islam and Arabic; he was born and died a Muslim, yet he doubted the integrity of Koran and Muhammad alike; SO THERE YOU GO BRO, HERE YOU HAVE A VERY SIGNIFICANT SCHOLAR, A MUSLIM WHO PERCEIVED THE KORAN TO BE A MYTH. We can even go back to the first years of Islam and listen to the closest followers of Muhammad, such as Abdullah Ibn Mas’ud, when the Caliph ordered all the Korans to be burned, to cover up the Koranic corruption Abdullah said:
Well, here we go, the evidence of Koranic corruption derives even from a few years after the death of Muhammad. What Abdullah obtained from Muhammad did not survive; then which Koran did survive? Could you please answer me on that one? Abdallah writes:
Kai replies: You simply cannot categorise every Catholic under the faction of liberal theology; why can’t that sink in? Hence you can’t state that the Bible is not true! Abdallah writes:
Kai replies: Well Abdallah, does the Sun orbit the earth? COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER ME ON THAT ONE next time you post something? Well, the Koran is very clear on the matter Here is first Muhammads interpretation of the Koranic claim from Sahih Al-Bukhari, Volume 4, Book 54, number 421, narrated by Abu Dharr, which you need to accept as the only credible interpretation on the Koranic passages:
Here are some Koranic passages on the scientific wonder of our solar-system, not exactly what I would call accurate science; certainly not divine revelation:
So this is the answer Abdalla, the reason why I do not base my salvation on the Koran is because there are errors in it, like the one I just described. Thus I seriously believe you should reconsider Islam, because as pointed out, why base our salvation upon something that contains error!!!! Abdallah writes:
Kai replies: Let me expound on this again, and this time I hope it sinks in, these archbishops and scholars you are referring to belong to the faction of critical theology, they differ even within their own faction, and they do far from represent Christianity as you seem to presume!!!! Abdallah writes:
Kai replies: In other words the Koran cannot be taken literally, then how can I believe anything in the Koran; COULD YOU PLEASE ANSWER ME ON THAT. However, here are a few articles which confirm that Muslim scholars certainly perceive these passages as literal: http://answering-islam.org.uk/Shamoun/aboutbible.htm http://answering-islam.org.uk/Shamoun/aboutbible2.htm http://answering-islam.org.uk/Shamoun/aboutbible3.htm http://answering-islam.org.uk/Shamoun/b ... entic1.htm http://answering-islam.org.uk/Shamoun/b ... entic2.htm http://answering-islam.org.uk/Shamoun/tahrif.htm http://answering-islam.org.uk/Shamoun/muhaimin.htm http://answering-islam.org.uk/Shamoun/torah_like_it.htm http://answering-islam.org.uk/Silas/bible.htm http://answering-islam.org.uk/Responses ... /bible.htm I think bro, that you are simply trying to escape the problem!!!!!! Abdallah writes:
Kai replies: Then why are you a Muslim, because, according to your own criteria, then based upon Ali Dashti and the fact that the Koran gets the structure of the solar-system wrong, your religious path is wrong. SO BRO, ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN WORDS, YOU SHOULD LEAVE ISLAM; WHY DO YOU WANT TO BASE YOUR SALVATION UPON SOMETHING THAT IS BASED ON ERROR?????? |
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