Christian/Muslim ThreadsOpen to Ideas from All FaithsPeace all... Wrong. 1st let me tell you, that there are 3 different sects of Lutheranism; missouri synod, wisconsin synod, and evangelical. All three are similar, yet have different doctrines. I belong to an evangelical. I have been with my church for 30 years. Never once has any pastor baptised a child into salvation. Children are baptised into the Christian faith. But that doesn't save them, they are already saved as children; whether their baptised or not. Then we believe in the baptisism from the Holy Spirit. This is the baptism you received once you accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and Salvation, and take Him into your heart. The Believer's Baptism you mentioned, my wife is familar with, since she once was Baptist. The Baptists believe that you have to be water baptised after you are saved. Which is a mute point, because you have already been baptised with the Holy Spirit. A water baptisism doesn't trump that, or make you "any more" saved. Where are you getting this crap? Are you making it up as you go? None of the sects you mention above, believe that sacraments "channel" grace. God's grace is the same for all man kind; Christians and non-Christians alike. It is not "channelled, it already has been given. Don't assume, stereotype, or make up doctrine to try and make your point. I could bring both a long time Methodist and Presbyterian to this forum, to tell you how your "generalization" of salvation is 100% wrong. Wrong again. Let me give you the actual doctrine from Evangelical Lutheran Belief. (page 48 ). Notice how it says the "participation" in the body and blood. Not consumption. We are participating in the sacrifice that Jesus gave to us; His bruised and torn body that wiped our sins clean. Verse 17 refers to Christ's church. The followers of Christ who make up one body. That one body wouldn't be possible if not for the body of Christ, which was given for our sins. The other doctrine used to debunk you and others that adhere to the "cannabalism" theory. Notice how Jesus said, "do it in remembrance of Me", and not "Do it and your consuming my flesh each and every time". Notice verse 26: "You Proclaim the Lord's death". Not, "Your consuming His flesh". Notice verse 29: "Recognizing the Body of the Lord." Not, "Consuming the Body of the Lord". Could you point out the Biblical verse that says "speaking in tongues is a necessary sign of salvation"? I will speak to a Pentecost member and ask them. If they speak in tongues, I'm quite sure that it is not a requirment for salvation; and you have only made a broad generalization. I will get back to you on this. These are the verses I recite in regards to you question:
Again, your making things up. Lutherans, as I, believe that God's will applies to every one of His childeran; saved and un-saved, Christian and non-Christian alike. God has a plan for each one of His childeran; saved and un-saved, Christian and non-Christian alike. Jehovah's, Christian scientists, and Mormons are cults by Christian standards. The best person to show you evidence regarding this would be Aineo or Omega. (I can't remember which one of them showed proof on a previous post. Ask them both.) Hardly You are totally lost and wrong here. All Christian denominations have the same faith in Jesus Christ. That He was the Son of God, He was sent to die for our sins, and God the Father rose Him from the dead to become our Lord and Savior. Your confusing and judging based on the difference of doctrinal traditions. And traditions are not faith. No, salvation is the same, just as I have said before. You would want to make a person believe that a difference in doctrine means a difference in salvation. And trust me, I know the differences between denominations. I could go to a member of each and every Christian denomination (excluding catholics), and ask them; "what saves you"? And I will get the same answer from each and every one of them. Because it is a simple answer. If I ask you the same question, you will point out "generalized" doctinal differences between denomiations, and equate each one to a seperate salvation. Which proves nothing, because "the proof is in the pudding". Meaning, before you would judge someone's doctrinal belief and salvation according to the church they attend, I would suggest you talk to them face to face. Again a false statement, since their is only 1 Jesus, 1 gospel, and 1 way to salvation. So tell me, how often do you see Lutherans picketing outside a catholic church during mass? How many Methodists do you see driving with bumper stickers that say, "Methodists are right, the rest are wrong"? As I said before; the only "splits of Christianity at its core", are cause by people like you. That would point out differences in one's belief, then try to use those differences to pin once against another. Well, you have asked this 7 times. 1st, I would say: If you fry your steak in a skillet on the stove top, and I broil mine in the oven, is one of us wrong? No, we achieved the same goal. 2nd, I would ask: If a Lutheran or Baptist has Jesus Christ in their hearts as their Lord and Savior, loved the Lord Almighty with all their heart and soul, and believed that they are saved by the grace of God alone. Just because their denomination has different doctrines then each other, and you, can you stand and tell them to their face that their salvation is different from each others and yours? He is Lord Peace and Godspeed Pray for Israel |
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