ArchivedWho was the Rock?And we can also agree the first church was not the Catholic Church headquartered in Rome.Aieno Wrote: Yes there are a lot of learned men outside of Catholicism, men like the Protestant Bible scholars, that I quoted on page 1 of this thread! do you agree?[/quote]Learned men like those you quoted also disagree that the Catholic Church is not the first and only true Christian church. Also if you check out the sources these men use to agree with Peter being in Rome are from the Catholic Church since there is no independent evidence that Peter died in Rome or even that he was ever in Rome. God chose Jewish men to bring His word to us, and those Jewish men were not members of the Catholic Church headed by a man you call the Pope. The "holy traditions" used by the Catholic Church are imports from Greek paganism as demonstrated by the Gnostic writings available to us today. I get this from Scripture, specifically Matthew 18:18, Matthew 21:42, Mark 12:10, Luke 20:17, Acts 4:11, Ephesians 2:20, 1 Peter 2:6-7, and Isaiah 28:16. And I don't know if tuppence has a denominational affiliation so the answer to your assumption is NO. Aieno Wrote: I and the early church fathers would have to disagree with you there, or dont you care about what the early church fathers have to say unless you THINK it supports your position? Also as Catholics we believe Jesus is the head of the church, the Pope is the earthly head a representative of Christ on earth. Peace[/quote]The interesting thing about some of your ECF's is that they do not really support your "holy traditions" including the Papacy. So your response is both ludicrous and inaccurate. The fact that your ECF's did not agree on the names of the early Bishops of Rome (in fact one list includes the same man twice under two different names) indicates the early church did not put any emphasise on who was Bishop in Rome. Add to this the fact that the Orthodox Churches reject the Catholic Church's claims also shows the revisionism of the Catholic Church's official and bogus history. Who was it that said tell a big enough lie and you can make most people believe you? I think it was Hitler. |
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