Christian/Muslim ThreadsContradictions in the Quranlet me first say that the book of the bible is not seen as a 'miracle' by christians... so any scriptual difficulty found in it will not make the message of the bible any less divine or inaccurate. Since it is the most accurate book on earth according to scriptual evidence and history, let's not forget this. Aliged contradictions in the quran are far more embarrasing to the muslim... since muhammed (or whoever compiled it) dared them to seek contradictions in the quran "Why don't they contemplate upon the Qur'an. Had it been originated from anyone besides Allah then it would have been beset with inconsistencies and contradictions" [4] and if there was anyone in there it would dissprove the quran fully, including it's message. Muslims threat their scripture that way, but christians and jews threat their scripture more historically and material as what they are... but non the less not doubting the integrity and truthfullness of the message. "Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him." -- John 14:23 "Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away." --Luke 21:33 "And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come." -- Matthew 24:14 The divine in the bible lays in it message, not in it's ink. Now let's continue If we look objectively, we see that these verses are easily harmonized by assuming that the Chronicles author is omitting information given by the Kings author, while offering information not given by Kings. Kings tells us about stalls for horses--horses only, while Chronicles tells us about (presumably different, and perhaps larger) stalls in which both horses and chariots were kept together. We thus see that the Chronicles author evidently chose not to tell its readers about the forty thousand stalls which housed only horses. There's nothing wrong with that, the apologists say; the Chronicles authors probably figured that diligent readers who really cared would look back to Kings to get the full picture, and vice versa. For every contradiction i will return you a quranic one... just not to keep this debate one sided Allah's clock ain't working: - Allah's day is a 1000 years [32] - Allah's day is 50.000 years [70] was it thousand or a fifty thousand years? these apparent opposites is that both are true, and indeed, they can be. Wisdom brings the benefits of deeper understanding, but the burden of such an understanding can be terrible at times, too. Indeed, this could easily be a both/and situation. For example, wisdom causes me to rejoice in the plan of God. But it also causes me sorrow in knowing that not all will partake of that plan. Where does the evil in our lifes come from? - Satan? [38] - Ourselves?[4] - Allah? [4] Will Allah put himself in hell for allowing us to sin? will we be responsible for our sins, or will it be all allah's fault? Are children punished for the sins or the parents? Exod. 20:5 tells us that God is to be feared, as He has the ability to visit the sins of the fathers on the children. Ezek. 18:20 tells us this will not happen if the children repent and turn away from the ways of their fathers. Not a contradiction. Persecute unbelievers? or forgive them?: - Persecute the unbelievers [9] - Forgive the unbelievers [45] The Midianites had enticed Israel into idol worship, God (as is His right to do so) decided to punish these people. He especially focused His wrath on the women because they were the worse offenders as they used sex to achieve their goal. At first, the Israeli people kept all the women alive even though God said they should die as befitting their choices...their crime...their sin. Moses commanded the death of the women, but decided (in my opinion against God's better judgement) to keep the girls alive to take as wives. If you were to read the OT you would find that the role of a wife in Israel did not allow rape to befall on them (unlike in the Koran). Wives in the OT had much more rights than women in any other culture or society. and male among the little ones is ussually translated as boys... referring to the male gender that if you think of it logically would have been the case. Wich ONLY answer did they give?: - "Drive them out of your city: these are indeed men who want to be clean and pure!" [7], [27] - "Bring us the Wrath of Allah if thou tellest the truth." [29] Matthew's account does not say that this was Jesus' first appearance. It is certainly possible that Matthew simply passes over the earlier appearances and focuses on the call to go into Galilee. In fact, notice how Matthew's account is not exhaustive. In 28:16, he mentions that Jesus had indicated what mountain in Galilee the disciples were to go to, yet he does not mention this when he quotes Jesus in verse 10. Who gets the blame for disbelief?: - the disbeliever [6] - Allah [10] first: No, it doesn't say those are his final words. It says He says these things before dying. For all we know it could have been hours before. secondly: Concering John 19:30 you are totally incorrect on this one. He states certain words (which are different and contradictory in each account), then "gives up the spirit/ghost." Surely you know that giving up the ghost means dying? They definitely state that he dies right after these words are uttered. If he said anything else, don't you think it would've been important enough to include in the Bible? You are correct, however, in stating that they don't use the word "final." It just takes a little bit of sense to see that these things occur one after the other, since that is the way they are written. Allah isn't sure who gets salvation: - Salvation is for Jews, Christians, and Sabaeans [5] - Salavation is Only for Muslims [3] Certainly, with a hurried look, 2 Samuel 24:13 and 1 Chronicles 21:11 seem to be contradictory. However, I would suggest that the questioner slow down and read the Scriptures more carefully (and in context), for these texts are in full agreement. David's choices of punishment for his sin before the Lord were: - 1 - three years of famine; - 2 - three months to be destroyed before his enemies; - 3 - three days of pestilence in the land. In the 1 Chronicles 21 account, these three choices are given to David. Notice, that the latter two choices are parallel in the 2 Samuel 24 account, but the first choice is different, both in the number of years mentioned and in the way the punishment is worded. The Lord there does not invite David to chose 3 years of famine, but rather asks, "...shall seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land?" In 2 Samuel 21:1, it is written, "...there was a famine in the days of David three years, year after year; and David enquired of the LORD. And the LORD answered, It is for Saul, and for his bloody house, because he slew the Gibeonites." Three years of famine had already occurred. Add to this the current year (the time which passed from 2 Samuel 21:1 to 2 Samuel 24:13), and then the three years of famine as recorded in 1 Chronicles 21:11, and you have seven years of famine Death repentance is a impossible possibility: - Pharaoh repented at the site of death and was saved [10:90-92] - Alltough noone can be saved this way [4] According to 2 Samuel 24:1, God incited David to take a census. In 1 Chronicles 19:13, it was Satan who incites David. Contradiction? The solution to this problem is easy. Both God and Satan incited David. You can find a good examle of this in the Book of Job. In Job, God recomends and allows Satan to test Job. (Job 1:6-12) The same thing occured to David. Some angels missing: - Many angels appeared to marry [3], [3] - Only one angel appeared to marry [19] According to Matthew 27:5 Judas Iscariot hanged himself. Acts 1:18 says Judas died by falling headlong and his body burst open. They seem like two different deaths however, they are the same. Judas hanged himself and sometime later his decaying body was discovered after it had fallen and burst open. What's a man really made of?: - A blood clot [96:1-2] - water [21], [24], [25] - clay [15] - dust [3], [30], [35] - or nothing? [19] Here one has to read John 3:13 in context. "If I told you earthly things and you do not believe, how shall you believe if I tell you heavenly things? And no one has ascended into heaven, but he who descended from heaven, even the Son of Man." Jesus, setting forth his own superior authority, says, substantially, "No human being can speak from personal knowledge, as I do, who came from heaven. No man hath ascended up to heaven to bring back tidings." So we, speaking of the secrets of the future world, should very naturally say: "No man has been there to tell us about them." In saying this, we do not deny that any one has actually entered the eternal world, but merely that any one has gone thither, and returned to unfold its mystery. Angels cannot disobey Allah: - All are commanded [16:49-50] - Not all are commanded [2] acctually they are What does 2 Sam. 21:8-9 say? "But the king took the two sons of Rizpah the daughter of Aiah, whom she bare unto Saul, Armoni and Mephibosheth; and the five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul, whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai the Meholathite: And he delivered them into the hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the LORD: and they fell [all] seven together, and were put to death in the days of harvest, in the first [days], in the beginning of barley harvest." This would appear to be a real contradiction except for the phrase "whom she brought up for Adriel the son of Barzillai." The phrasing tells you that these sons are not Michal's in the normal sense of the term because she did not "bear" these children. I.E. these sons are adopted children." Heaven and earth? wich was created first?: - First earth and then heaven [2] - heaven and after that earth [79:27-30] It is possible that at the age of eight, Jehoiachin was exalted by his father to reign along side him for the remaining years of his life (10 years), and upon the death of his father (2 Kings 24:5), at the age of eighteen, Jehoiachin began to reign alone (the three months that are mentioned as his reign). It appears that he 'apprenticed' under his father, learning his father's evil ways, and then repeating them (2 Chronicles 36:9; 2 Kings 24:9; 23:37). Where is Allah and his throne?: - Allah is nearer than the jugular vein [50] - but he is also on the throne [57] - which is upon the water [11] - and at the same time so far away, that it takes between 1,000 and 50,000 years to reach him [32:5, 70:4]. Literally, that clause in 22:9 may be translated, “They did not hear the sound.” The NIV correctly translates the verse, because the verb “to hear” with the genitive case may mean “to hear a sound” and with the accusative case “to hear with understanding.” The genitive case is employed in 9:7, and the accusative is used in 22:9. So the travelers with Saul heard the sound (9:7) but did not understand what Christ said (22:9)." Inquiry in paradise?: -"neither will they question one another" [23] - but nevertheless they will be "engaging in mutual inquiry" [52] - "and they will ... question one another" [37]. After His baptism, Jesus spent some time with the disciples and then went into the desert. John the Apostle's account of the baptism of Jesus is not a focus on chronological events. Instead, it is focusing on the ministerial aspect of Christ's mission. John focuses on the issue of baptism and the commission of Christ and the blessing of the Father. Mark simply states that Jesus went into the wilderness after His baptism. Each account is about the same thing, but each addresses the issue in a very different manner and extracts different information from the events. Mark is succinct and mentions events several more events than John. There is no contradiction because there is no conflict in what is said. Can slander of chaste women be forgiven?: - Yes [24] - No [24] The most likely solution to this apparent contradiction is that the robe was both purple and scarlet (e.g. it was striped or patterned in some way). It's also possible that more than one article of clothing was involved, and that one was purple while the other was scarlet. Will christians enter paradise?: - Yes [5] - No [3] [/quote] Most probably, both gall and myrrh were added to the vinegar. The text does not explicitly state this, nor does it exclude the possibility. Nevertheless, "The ancients used to infuse myrrh into wine to give it a more agreeable fragrance and flavour."1 This means that it is quite possible that the vinegar already had myrrh in it, as would be expected among Roman soldiers, and gall was later added. Technically, the inclusion of both gall and vinegar is very possible. From among all nations or from Abraham's seed?: - all prophets came from Abraham's seed. [29] - Allah raised messengers from among every people. [16] I said i was still studying, and never said this is gonna end any time soon. this does not mean that i have no knowledge ot other relgions other then christianity... excusing my humbleness i know alot more about other religions then the average person. but i will in no way call myself an expert, let this be clear. it does not take 6 years to understand the main theologies of a certain religion (especially when the religion claims it's a clear message it's bringing)... it only takes 6 years to get fully brainwashed into it... but that is not my goal to get brainwashed into every religion i study... you demand me to become a muslim when i study islam, to become a buddhist when i study buddhism... frankly my friend i can't do that, i am a christian and i judge from my christian perspective... their is no indepedent stand you can't take in, when studying anything, even the atheist studies from his atheist standpoint... tell me H20 you really had no character, nothing wich you stood for, when you studied Islam? maybe that was the reason you converted in the first place? |
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