H2O wrote:Aburaees wrote:H2O,
If you knew your Arabic you would know that 'ASHIYAH means EVENING and 'ISHAA means SUPPER.
انا متمكن من العربية هل تحب ان تتكلّم بلعربيّة
Aburaees wrote:Just because the come from the same root, it doesn't mean they have the same meaning.
Did you know that the BEDOUINS called their Sunset prayers ISHA?
Lets see what a Christian says in one of the worlds leading Classical Arabic Lexicons.
عِشَاء = 'ishaa [The time of nightfall; i.e.] the first, or begining, of the darkness (Msb, K) of night: (Msb
[this is the sense in which it is generally used, and always when it is used as applied to one of the five times of the divinely-appointed acts of prayer;
صلاة العشاء = salatil-'ishaa, and elliptically
العشاء = al'ishaa alone, meaning the prayer of nightfall:] or it is [the time] when the sun has disappeared; (Az, TA
or [the time] from sunset (K) [i.e.] from the prayer of sunset (Msb, TA) to the
عتمة = atamah [or darkness after nightfall]; (Msb,K,TA) [and this is what is meant by its being said that it is]
syn. with عشي =
ashiyya:.........
Edward W. Lane Arabic Lexicon (Of Classical Arabic)
You must have gotten your self mixed up with modern Arabic.
Aburaees wrote:Did you know that MAGHRIB means "WEST", the reason why Morocco is also called Al-Maghrib.
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المغرب = al-maghrib....المغرب = al-maghrab....[both signify The west;].. originally signfies the place [or pont] of sunset,.....
Edward W. Lane Arabic Lexicon (Of Classical Arabic)
Next time you come with your statement of "
If you knew your Arabic" all my responses to you will be in Arabic just like how I responded to you above in Arabic if you tend to TEST my second language skills, and we will see if you know your Arabic. So dont think cause I am a convert/revert to Islam that I dont know my second language, in fact it was a duty upon me to learn it.
Very good, so you do know your Arabic.
I apologise if I have insulted you.
The reason I said "If you knew your Arabic" was to mirror what you said about me;
H2O wrote:
Obviously he didnt even know about the five daily prayers mentioned in the Quran that he was so devouted to in study.
The following quote which you so generoulsy provided only helps me to prove my point. That being that 'Ashiyyah or 'Isha can be anytime from sunset to darkness as the bedouins had understood it.
عِشَاء = 'ishaa [The time of nightfall; i.e.] the first, or begining, of the darkness (Msb, K) of night: (Msb
[this is the sense in which it is generally used, and always when it is used as applied to one of the five times of the divinely-appointed acts of prayer;
صلاة العشاء = salatil-'ishaa, and elliptically
العشاء = al'ishaa alone, meaning the prayer of nightfall:] or it is [the time] when the sun has disappeared;
(Az, TA or [the time] from sunset (K) [i.e.] from the prayer of sunset (Msb, TA) to the عتمة = atamah [or darkness after nightfall];
(Msb,K,TA) [and this is what is meant by its being said that it is]
syn. with عشي =
ashiyya:.........
Edward W. Lane Arabic Lexicon (Of Classical Arabic)
The Hadiths I provided show that the Bedouins called Sunset and Darkness as 'Isha and 'Atma respectively;
Bukhari Volume 1, Book 10, Number 538:
Narrated 'Abdullah Al-Muzani:
The Prophet said, "Do not be influenced by bedouins regarding the name of your Maghrib prayer which is called 'Isha' by them."
Bukhari Volume 1, Book 10, Number 539:
Narrated Abdullah:
"One night Allah's Apostle led us in the 'Isha' prayer and that is the one called Al-'Atma by the people. After the completion of the prayer, he faced us and said, "Do you know the importance of this night? Nobody present on the surface of the earth to-night will be living after one hundred years from this night."
My point is that linguistically 'Isha can be anytime from today's Maghrib up until today's 'Isha, and this is exactly how the Bedouins understood it.
When the Qur'an says to pray at al-'Ashiyyah, this by itself doesn't give us a specific time as one group (Bedouins) called it Sunset and another group (Muslims) called it Night.
We rely on the Hadith to give us the time of day when Muhammad tells us not to take the Bedouin interpretation of the times.
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