Abdurrahman wrote:
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He introduced some pagan rituals into Christianity {as offering sacrifice, Acts 14:13
I agree you are right . I do not have a problem accepting this.
The reference is not right here .
Kai replies:
THEN YOU ADMIT THAT YOU WERE WRONG, AND VIRTUALLY ACTED IN DISHONESTY.
THEN I WONDER, HOW MUCH OF YOUR POSTING OF PAUL IS ACTUALLY IS ACTUALLY OF THE SAME CATEGORY--LIES.
WHAT DOES ALL THIS SAY ABOUT YOUR INTEGRITY?
YOU HAVE STATED THAT YOU HAVE LESS TIME TO DO RESEARCH, FAIR ENOUGH, BUT THEN WHY SIMPLY POST MATERIAL, WHICH YOU HAVE NOT HAD TIME TO STUDY OR ASSESS?
THIS IS WHAT INITIALLY WILL GET YOU.
I HAVE ALMOST CORRECTED EVERYONE OF YOUR ARGUMENTS AND THEY ALL RELY ON IGNORANCE, DISHONESTY TO THE TEXT OR EISIGESIS.
MY ADVISE IS THERE BRO, THAT YOU BEGIN DOING YOUR OWN STUDIES.
YOU WHOLE IDEA ABOUT MITHRAISM IS THE SAME SPECULATIVE RUBBISH, TO WHICH THERE IS A MOUNTAIN OF DETAILED CLAIMS BUT SIMPLY NO SOURCES--BUT I WILL COME TO THAT.
ABURRAHMAN WROTE:
But this does not change the fact of pagan heritage in current christian faith . This is a historical fact . The teaching of Jesus is mixed with roman pagan beliefs .
kai replies:
WHAT DO YOU MEAN THIS DOES NOT CHANGE THE FACT, YOU HAVE BEEN DEBUNKED BRO, AND NO YOU SIMPLY THROW NEW SIMILAR IDEAS ON THE TABLE.
I ASKED YOU TO DEFEND YOU ARGUMENT AND IN STEAD YOU BRING IN SO-CALLED JESUS MYTHS.
COULD YOU PLEASE POST (NOT THE WEBSITES AND SCHOLARS) BUT THE ACTUAL SOURCES ON THIS FORUM.
AS YOU WILL FIND OUT THERE IS A HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CLAIMS AND SCHOLARS VERSUS SOURCES.
I HEAR MEAN CLAIMS, BUT SEE NO SOURCES.
abdurrahman wrote:
Can you deny that these rituals have pagan roots.
Everyone can see this fact after a small research.
Christmas
Christmas tree
Easter eggs
Halloween
Valentines day
Baptistery
Candlemas are some examples
Kai replies:
In what sense is Valentine and Halloween, easter eggs Christian, Valentine is celebrated in Pakistan too, to your information.
AND HOW DO ASSOCIATE ALL THIS WITH PAUL THE APOSTLE?
HOWEVER LETS GET BACK TO YOUR OBJECTIONS TO PAUL.
YOU HAVE ADMITTED ONE MISTAKE, LETS DEAL WITH THE NEXT ONE.
YOU SEEM TO STATE THAT THE ENTIRE IDEA FROM THE BOOK OF ACTS CONCERNING PAUL IS UNRELIABLE BECAUSE PAUL INTERACTS WITH GREEKS IN JERUSALEM, WHILE THE OCCUPATERS WERE ROMANS.
Abdurrahman wrote:
All those who heard him were astonished & asked, "Isn't he the same man who destroyed all those who called on this name [Christ]? & hasn't he come here for the purpose of taking them bound in chains as prisoners to the chief priests?" They were astonished then & we are still amazed now! "After many days had gone by, the Jews conspired to kill him, but Saul learned of their plan… but his followers took him by night & lowered him in a large basket through an opening in the wall [surrounding Damascus]. When he reached Jerusalem he tried to join the disciples [of Jesus] but they were all afraid of him & didn't believe that he was really a disciple. But Barnabas• took him & brought him to the apostles. He told them how Saul on his journey to Damascus had seen the Lord & that the Lord had spoken to him, & how in Damascus he has preached fearlessly in the name of Jesus. So Saul stayed in Jerusalem with them & he moved freely speaking boldly in the name of the Lord. He disputed with the Hellenists [Greeks] & they tried to kill him. When the brothers learned of this, they brought him to Caesarea & sent him to Tarsus." One small remark, the occupants (at that time) were Romans & not Greeks!
I WILL DEAL WITH YOUR MITHRA STUFF LATER,
BUT COULD YOU PLEASE
EXPOUND MORE ON THIS SO CALLED PROBLEM.
WHY IS IT A PROBLEM FOR THE BIBLE THAT PAUL DEBATED WITH GREEKS IN JERUSALEM?