relaxjack wrote:So Loki used a Gnostic Gospel to claim that the Quran borrrowed the story of Jesus making a bird into clay.
My question then:
If the Quran borrowed from that source, there must be an Arabic version of the Thomas Infancy of Gospel during the time of the Prophet. There was no Arabic version during that time. I challenge Loki to prove me otherwise.
salam
I suspect regardless of how much proof or evidence we give you, you will give us the standard muslim rhetoric of GIVE ME MORE PROOF.
This is from the "Arabic gospel of the infancy of Jesus"
http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studies/ ... nfarab.htm
36. Now, when the Lord Jesus had completed seven years from His birth, on a certain day He was occupied with boys of His own age. For they were playing among clay, from which they were making images of asses, oxen, birds, and other animals; and each one boasting of his skill, was praising his own work. Then the Lord Jesus said to the boys: The images that I have made I will order to walk. The boys asked Him whether then he were the son of the Creator; and the Lord Jesus bade them walk. And they immediately began to leap; and then, when He had given them leave, they again stood still. And He had made figures of birds and sparrows, which flew when He told them to fly, and stood still when He told them to stand, and ate and drank when He handed them food and drink. After the boys had gone away and told this to their parents, their fathers said to them: My sons, take care not to keep company with him again, for he is a wizard: flee from him, therefore, and avoid him, and do not play with him again after this.
Now surely I do not need to show proof that there was an arabic version when the very name of this pseudo gospel tells you it is an arabic version??
There are some that believe the Nestorians especially in Arabia didn't have the gospels of Mathew, Mark Luke and John and only had these types of apocrypha, this would explain why Mohammed or whoever wrote the koran thought there was a book called the injil, incidentally the arabic gospel does call Jesus the Son of God.
From the "The first gospel of the infancy of Jesus Christ"
CHAPTER 1
The following accounts we found in the book of Joseph the high-priest, called by some Caiaphas: 2 He relates, that Jesus spake even when he was in the cradle, and said to his mother:
3 Mary, I am Jesus the Son of God, that word which thou didst bring forth according to the declaration of the angel Gabriel to thee, and my father hath sent me for the salvation of the world...
CHAPTER XV
And when the Lord Jesus was seven years of age, he was on a certain day with other boys his companions about the same age. 2 Who when they were at play, made clay into several shapes namely, asses, oxen, birds, and other figures, 3 Each boasting of his work and endeavouring to exceed the rest. 4 Then the Lord Jesus said to the boys, I will command these figures which I have made to walk. 5 And immediately they moved and when he commanded then to return, they returned. 6 He had also made the figure of birds and sparrows, which when he commanded to fly, did fly, and when he commanded to stand still, did stand still; and if he gave them meat and drink they did eat and drink. 7 When at length the boys went away, and related these things to their parents, their fathers said to them, Take heed children, for the future, of his company, for he is a sorcerer; shun and avoid him, and from henceforth never play with him.
http://wesley.nnu.edu/biblical_studies/ ... nfgos1.htm
Do you see the similarity between this and the arabic gospel of the infancy of Jesus?
No doubt these evidence will be swept aside as somehow corrupt or irrelevant or whatever way you want to dismiss it, but are you being objective in dismissing all the evidence we have shown you?
Let us turn the tables a little why don't you give me proof that having a wet nurse was normal for an
adult princess:
Narrated Abu Usaid:
We went out with the Prophet to a garden called Ash-Shaut till we reached two walls between which we sat down. The Prophet said, "Sit here," and went in (the garden). The Jauniyya (a lady from Bani Jaun) had been brought and lodged in a house in a date-palm garden in the home of Umaima bint An-Nu'man bin Sharahil, and her wet nurse was with her. When the Prophet entered upon her, he said to her, "Give me yourself (in marriage) as a gift." She said, "Can a princess give herself in marriage to an ordinary man?" The Prophet raised his hand to pat her so that she might become tranquil. She said, "I seek refuge with Allah from you." He said, "You have sought refuge with One Who gives refuge. Then the Prophet came out to us and said, "O Abu Usaid! Give her two white linen dresses to wear and let her go back to her family." Narrated Sahl and Abu Usaid: The Prophet married Umaima bint Sharahil, and when she was brought to him, he stretched his hand towards her. It seemed that she disliked that, whereupon the Prophet ordered Abu Usaid to prepare her and to provide her with two white linen dresses. (See Hadith No. 541). Sahih Bukhari 7:63:182
Do you have any proofs that it is normal for an adult princess to have a wet nurse?
Isn't the logical deduction that your best example of a human for all eternity was caught about to abuse/or abusing a little girl and bribed all involved with white linens?? The whole hadith stinks of a cover up.
If you are going to dismiss the proofs we have shown you that your koran plagiarised from pseudo gospels equally show us proof that your prophet was not a pedofile.