Religious Cults & False Prophets~ Discussions and DebatesCritical Identity of BaptismActually hisway you are the one being dishonest. Peter was in the upper room and Peter did receive the "gift of the Holy Spirit" and Peter is not recorded as having spoken with tongues. "They were ALL filled with the the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance."
Now you advised Omega to study 1 Corinthians 14 so what does 1 Corinthians 14 teach? That tongues is a sign for unbelivers not believers. You also need to study 1 Corinthians 12. 1 Corinthians 12:4-11
4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are varieties of ministries, and the same Lord. 6 And there are varieties of effects, but the same God who works all things in all persons. 7 But to each one is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, and to another the word of knowledge according to the same Spirit; 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, and to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 and to another the effecting of miracles, and to another prophecy, and to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills. NAS
And once again you are wrangling over words. NT:2532
kai (kahee); apparently, a primary particle, having a copulative and sometimes also a cumulative force; and, also, even, so then, too, etc.; often used in connection (or composition) with other particles or small words:
KJV - and, also, both, but, even, for, if, or, so, that, then, therefore, when, yet.
(Biblesoft's New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. Copyright (c) 1994, Biblesoft and International Bible Translators, Inc.)
NT:2532
kai,
and
I. It serves as a copulative
1. it connects single words or terms:
a. universally, Matthew 16:1
b. it connects numerals; Luke 13:4,11
c. it joins to partitive words the general notion; Acts 5:29
2. It connects clauses and sentences
a. universally, Matthew 3:12
b. In accordance with the simplicity of the ancient popular speech, and especially of the Hebrew tongue, it links statement to statement, the logical relations of which the more cultivated language expresses either by more exact particles, or by the use of the participial or the relative construction
c. it joins affirmative to negative sentences, Luke 3:14
d. it annexes what follows from something said before and so: Matthew 5:15
e. with a certain rhetorical emphasis, it annexes something apparently at variance with what has been previously said and yet
f. it begins an apodosis (the main clause of a conditional sentence), which is thus connected with the protasis (premise of a syllogism), also
g. as in classical Greek, it begins a question thrown out with a certain impassioned abruptness and containing an urgent rejoinder to another's speech
h. it introduces parentheses Romans 1:13
3. It annexes epexegetically both words and sentences so that it is equivalent to and indeed, namely
4. it connects whole narratives and expositions, and thus forms a transition to new matters: Matthew 4:23
5. kai ... kai, a repetition which indicates that of two things one takes place no less than the other: Matthew 10:28
6. te ... kai, see te, 2
II. It marks something added to what has already been said, or that of which something already said holds good
1. used simply,
a. also, likewise: Matthew 5:39 f
b. equivalent to even Matthew 5:46 f
c. before a comparative it augments the gradation, even, still Matthew 11:9
d. with a participle equivalent to although
2. joined with pronouns and particles, also
a. with comparative adverbs: Acts 11:11
b. added to words designating the cause, it marks something which follows of necessity from what has been previously said: Luke 1:35
c. after the interrogative ti, besides, moreover,
d. alla kai, but also: Luke 24:22
e. de kai, and de ... kai, but also, and also: Matthew 3:10
(from Thayer's Greek Lexicon, Electronic Database. Copyright (c) 2000 by Biblesoft)
It seems when you don't like how translators use the word "and" you change the meaning of "kai" to mean "even".
We are told in 20 times in Luke and the Acts that the apostles will be or are "filled with the Holy Spirit", which you insist must be replaced with "baptized" in the Holy Spirit so you can teach a fallacious doctrine.
BradtheImpaler, pulling portions of posts out of context is a form of lying. What does God's word tell us about liars? Revelation 21:7-8
7 "He who overcomes shall inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. 8 "But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." NAS
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