ArchivedSpeaking in Tongues ???Sorry.... been away for a little while. Need to reply to hisway's reply to me back towards the beginning of this thread. Nice that you say that. Aweful that the rest of your post contradicts that. Agreed. Faith and knowledge are different. The verse reads: "Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." The devils do not believe (i.e. have faith) that Jesus is the only means to salvation. The verse only says that they believe that there is a God, that He exists. So you're saying faith isn't enough. You have to work for your salvation by getting baptized. What if someone gets saved (in the sense of having faith), but on their way to the church to get baptized, they get in a car accident and die. According to you, they will go to hell because they didn't get baptized and didn't experience the "in-filling" of the HS. That, my friend, is heresy. Salvation does not require any works on our part, lest we should get any glory from it (Eph. 2:8-10). Incorrect. The Atonement was not a three step process. The act by which God offered salvation to the world was a three step process. The atonement is a one step process: God applying the blood of Christ to our lives. Right, but only because if Christ had not risen, then the payment for sins would not have been made, and the offer of salvation could not have been given. This story doesn't support your argument. You're telling me that this Hindu guy came to your church and started speaking in tongues after you prayed over him. Then he discarded his Hinduism, and there's no mention of him getting baptized. He's all out of order. He got resurrected first, then he died, and apparently was never buried! If you maintain that speaking in tongues is mandatory to be saved, and that it is analogous to the resurrection, then it cannot come before salvation and baptism. That should tell you something. I would doubt that this is true, as far as all these people truly speaking in tongues. I'm not gonna lecture you about what the Bible says about speaking in tongues because i'm sure you probably are at least somewhat familiar with it. But it might be helpful to remind you that in the church, all things are to be done decently and in order (I Cor. 14:40). I doubt very seriously that 80,000 people speaking at the same time is very orderly. The I Cor. passage also says that in any given meeting, there should only be 2 or 3 people that speak in tongues (vs. 29). Now, I'm not too good at math, but last time I checked, 80,000 > 3. And I suppose that there is record of the 80,000 interpreters that were there also? Because, ya' know, they're not supposed to speak unless there's an interpreter. But Jesus never spoke in tongues. Why all the emphasis on doing something Jesus never did? Why not just go out and evangelize the world - like He commanded. Hogwash. The old charasmatic addage "doctrine divides; service unites" is balogna. Even charasmatics are starting to realize that. The only thing that unites is true doctrine that centers aroung the person and work of Christ. Tongues does not bring attention to Christ anymore - it only glorifies the person claiming to do it. Where's the repentance in your "personal testimony" story above? It's after the tongues. But by your own admittance, this cannot happen. So what of your story? It's either an exception to a rule that has no exceptions, or it is not a true story of the conversion of a sinner and subsequent indwelling of the HS. You make it sound like baptism is a recurring thing. The baptism of the HS is the method by which God takes us out of Adam and puts us into Christ. Stated more simply, it is the action God takes in order to save us. This doesn't happen more than once.
So those are my options? Either take God at His Word, or keep trying to seek after an experience to prove to myself that I can believe whatever I want to about God regardless of what His Word says. Hmmm....... I think I'll stick with taking God at His Word. |
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