Christian/Muslim ThreadsThe Miracles of IslamFINGER PRINTS
Kai writes: But the Sura 14: 21 Actually says: 21 Together they shall all come before Allah. Then the weak will say to those who were proud: 'We were your followers. Can you help us in anything against the punishment of Allah?' They will say: 'Had Allah guided us we would have guided you. It is now the same for us whether we cannot endure or bear patiently, we have no place of refuge.' 22 And when the issue has been decided, satan will say (to them): 'The promise which Allah made you was true. I promised you, but failed to keep it. I had no authority over you except that I called you, and you answered me. Do not blame me, rather, blame yourselves. I cannot help you, nor can you help me. I disbelieved in your associating me (with Allah) before.' Indeed, for the evildoers there is a painful punishment. 23 As for those who believe and do good works, they shall be admitted to gardens underneath which rivers flow in which, by the permission of their Lord, they shall live for ever. Their greeting shall be: 'Peace!' Exactly where modern criminal cases are dealt with through fingerprints is not very obvious in this passage. Secondly the passage seems to describe the day of judgement, and I wonder whether Allah needs to examine our fingerprints. Abdurrahman wrote Kai Hagbard replies: The passage seems more to deal with the sin of man within a human society and it how effects the whole world. Actually, the Koran seems not to predict pollution at this point, but the actual corruption of idolworship on land and sea: 41 Corruption has appeared on land and sea with what the hands of the people earned. Therefore, they taste some of what they did in order that they return. 42 Say: 'Journey in the land and see what was the end of those who were before you. Most of them were idolaters.' 43 Therefore in purity set your face to the religion, before there comes from Allah a Day that cannot be turned back. On that Day mankind will be separated. 44 Those who disbelieve will be charged for their disbelief, while the righteous are making provision for themselves 45 so that He will recompense those who believe and do righteous deeds from His bounty. He does not love the unbelievers. Abdurrahman wrote Kai Hagbard replies In other words, the Koran recognises that the current establishment of Israel is the work of God. Secondly, this is Biblical prediction as well, thus not a credit for the Koran. Abdurrahman wrote
Kai Hagbard replies: Actually this is not a prediction of plastic surgery, but a warning against cutting of limbs of God's creation. Here is the passage in its full context: 117 Instead of Him they supplicate to none but females, and indeed they supplicate to none except the rebellious satan, 118 whom Allah has cursed and he (satan) said: 'Indeed, I will take to myself an appointed portion of Your worshipers, 119 and lead them astray. I shall fill them with fancies and order them to cut off the ears of cattle. I shall order them to alter the creation of Allah.' Indeed, whosoever chooses satan for a guide, instead of Allah, has surely suffered a clear loss. 120 he promises them and fills them with fancies, but what satan promises them is only a delusion. Abdurrahman wrote
Kai Hagbard replies: Honestly, I dont see any reference here of human effort to blow up mountains or the building of roads. The actual passage refers to the end of the universe, when the sun, stars and mountains loose their significance. This looks more like Allah's work than the use of dynamite. 1 When the sun is wound-up; 2 when the stars are thrown down, 3 and the mountains have been taken, Abdurrahman wrote
Kai Hagbard replies: This is what I mean by speculation, as the passage does not indicate new transportsystems or modern vehicles. As a matter of fact the text would imply that Allah created the Car, in the same way as he created the horse. Abdurrahman wrote
Kai Hagbard replies: I believe the use of Zoo's and animal cages in human residence far predated the Koran, thus this passage is not a prophecy. Secondly, the passage is much stronger in aggreement with the Bible that the endtimes will increase the wild animals present with in human residence, not because of a zoo but to hunt for food. Enough for now, if I have time the sequel is coming later, but I hope this provides the reader with an idea of what I deem speculation. |
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