Christian/Muslim ThreadsIf Jesus Christ Is begotten does that mean he had a beggininYour right no where in the Old Testament does it say that Jesus is a triune God but the scriptures show it, and no where in the New does Jesus say he is a trinity but the scriptures show it. The scriptures show that Jesus is God (the Word which manifested in the flesh) the scriptures show that the Holy Spirit is God, and the scriptures show that the Father is God. I have a question for you in Genesis where it says "In the beginning God created the Heavens and the Earth, AND THE Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters." I ask you is the Spirit of God another God ? Was not the Spirit of God with God and also God. Did not God do something (create the Heavens and the Earth) and the Spirit of God do something else (moved upon the face of the waters) and it's still Gods Spirit ? That's what the Trinity is God his Spirit and his Word. Revelation 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. I know muslims by now and what kind of excuse you will make for this, well, Jesus didn't specificaly say "I am God" in that scripture so haha. My response, please look at the scripture, if you can't see that Jesus is claiming to be God there, then I can't help you. only God is Alpha and Omega, only God is the Beginning and the END, only God is Almighty. Also if you don't want Jesus words you can have God's words showing that Jesus is God. Hebrews 1:8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. 9 Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. 10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: And here is the Old Testaments. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. How many children are called Everlasting Father or Mighty God by God ? I have more please deal with these first P.S. its very ironic to see muslims accusing someone of nitpicking. First you have to understand what spirit was talked about here ? was it the Spirit of God or a spirit as in a human soul that has left the body a spirit higher than man but lower than God, i.e. an angel When Jesus told his disciples that it is because they thought he was a Ghost, they were thinking in the flesh, that is why they were afraid this is not referring to the Spirit of God. And we don't believe also that flesh is a Spirit that is why we believe God incarnated/manifested in flesh. Again this was talking about spirit/ghost and a Spirit does not have flesh and blood but God/Spirit can manifest/incarnate in the flesh as God did. You are right a Spirit does not have flesh and bones and a Spirit is invisible. Colossians 1:12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: 13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: 14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature: 16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: Please try to understand the concept of Spirit manifesting in the flesh and being in Heaven as the Father at the same time. 1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory. Yes God is invisible you got it and Jesus is the image of the invisible God. God was manifest in the flesh. No man is the image of the invisible God except Jesus. Maybe that's because thats when it happened that God was manifested in the flesh ? Also the bible show that the one to be born is God, The Everlasting Father, The Mighty God. God can be everywhere but God can't be everyone can God be you ? can you be God ? God can be with you, but is not you, and will never be you, but God was Jesus. The Spirit of Jesus is the Spirit of God. God was manifest in the flesh. Please understand the concept of God being everywhere and also manifesting in the flesh at the same time. it in no way confines him Try to understand the concept of God being everywhere as the Father and manifesting in the flesh at the same time as the Son. This is talking about people making false idols from the Earth and bowing to them etc etc how is this saying that God cannot manifest in the flesh ? Yes we should not make any images now please explain to me how this connects to the fact that God manifested in the flesh like God tells us in the New Testament. We are not to make any images and we do not worhip the flesh of Jesus we worship Jesus which is God. Jesus is everlasting as the scriptures both Old and New testament show which manifested in the flesh. We have not seen God in the sense that God is invisible, but Jesus is God the Spirit that was inside the flesh is the Spirit of God. Please explain how God being everywhere and also manifesting in the flesh at the same time makes God imperfect ? It is muslims who make god weak and illogical. In the Old Testament it shows that angels can manifest in the flesh, but yet Muslims say angels have more power than God because God can't do this. very logical indeed God Bless |
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